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Post by paleoferroequine on Sept 26, 2009 16:08:57 GMT
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Post by franchesca on Sept 26, 2009 16:15:15 GMT
You should take a rotary tool and sand his trunk a bit and change the position of his leg to maybe a running charging pose like that in walking with beasts when he attacks the australopithecus afarensis.
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Post by paleoferroequine on Sept 26, 2009 16:44:08 GMT
What part of the trunk? It's not too bulbous actually. See this link: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deinotherium_BW.jpg Of course there a lot of different images and ideas which are out there but I wanted a different look. A more running position would be a good idea though, I'll see what I can do. Thanks. |
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Post by franchesca on Sept 26, 2009 17:17:58 GMT
what if you lift the trunk up as in it trumpeting?
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Post by paleoferroequine on Sept 26, 2009 17:48:32 GMT
It's just that most depictions of them and other mammoths seem to have the trunk raised, nothing wrong with that but I tried that at first and it looked all wrong. It's probably more like the nose of a tapir, flexible but with a bit less muscular movement. And besides the Sculpey is kinda hard to mess with now, but maybe I can make another one and try to raise the nose a little.  It doesn't take long, need to find a different elephant. |
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Post by Griffin on Sept 26, 2009 18:31:17 GMT
I have not seen that reconstruction before so I'm used to the trunk looking slimmer but I actually like what you have more to be honest. Makes it look meaner, less goofy. I have nothing bad to say about the trunk but I think I agree a bit with Franchesca about the leg placement. Still a really nice custom all the same as usual. Great work.
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Post by paleoferroequine on Sept 26, 2009 20:31:27 GMT
I've just watched video with running elephants, or should I say a very fast walk  Pretty much the pose of that Safari elephant. Even worse is the fact that to reposition the legs is major surgery involving the upper legs which are buried more or less in the body  My best bet is to find a figure in a very fast run or just do the whole thing myself. |
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Post by Griffin on Sept 26, 2009 20:57:18 GMT
Honestly what you have already is totally fine in my opinion when it all boils down. Whether or not you decide go through with it is totally up to you.
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Post by stoneage on Sept 26, 2009 23:44:29 GMT
It seems to me you were going after this Look:  When Osborn first reconstructed Deinotherium back in 1910 he drew it with a short, flap-like trunk much like a tapir's but latter dropped that reconstruction for no known reason. This image was revised by Markov et al. (2001) From a study of the skull's shape they deduced that Deinotherium must have a short tapir-like snout hanging over its decending lower jaw. A long trunk was not necessary, as a browser standing 5 meters high at the shoulder it had little need to reach the ground. The tusk remained free for whatever purpose they served, and the nostrils at the end of the proboscis, could smell and inspect food.  Here is what I think is a nice intermediate version.
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Post by crypto1 on Oct 3, 2009 11:49:32 GMT
It's just that most depictions of them and other mammoths seem to have the trunk raised, nothing wrong with that but I tried that at first and it looked all wrong. The "raised trunk" of elephant figurines, even in the prehistoric replicas, is an artifact of the popular culture's little ceramic and toy figures with their raised trunks. "Raised trunks" in those figurines are symbolic of "good luck," so it has become a motif among antique store collectors to gather "raised trunk" elephants to enhance their chances of good fortune issuing from their elephant collections. But, indeed, elephants in the wild who are moving or at rest only rarely raise their trunks in bluffing fights, and for placing water and dust on their backs to keep cool or rid themselves of insects. Elephants would be a tired lot if they went around with their trunks up all the time. The more natural, realistic pose is with the trunks down. Frankly, I like my replicas looking zoologically correct, and I think good luck comes from having collections as close to what's real in natural history.  Your work is amazing. I'd love for you to do a diorama in my new Portland, Maine, museum for public exhibition! Loren |
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Post by Griffin on Oct 3, 2009 15:07:47 GMT
When my grandma goes to play bingo, lots of people bring little elephant figurines/statues with raised trunks to sit on their tables for good luck.
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Oct 4, 2009 16:23:03 GMT
When my grandma goes to play bingo LOL ;D |
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Post by Griffin on Oct 9, 2009 16:05:10 GMT
Much like a lot of women her age
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Post by bucketfoot on Oct 10, 2009 7:00:31 GMT
Hey - you beat me to it. I am in the middle of customizing an Indian Elephant into a 1/40 Deinotherium, but ... my version will mimic the more conventional Zdenek Burian/Bullyland versions ..... and yes, it WILL have an upraised trunk! ;-)
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Post by kikimalou on Oct 10, 2009 11:08:37 GMT
Hey - you beat me to it. I am in the middle of customizing an Indian Elephant into a 1/40 Deinotherium, but ... my version will mimic the more conventional Zdenek Burian/Bullyland versions ..... and yes, it WILL have an upraised trunk! ;-) Hurrah for the holy trunk !  Paleoferroequine, your work is very well made as usual but I prefer deino with an elephant trunk. IMHO a 5 meter tall animal without a long neck need to drink sometimes and I don't know how it could do these with a tapir's like trunk ? If it tried to fold his knees to do so, the tusks would be insert in the mud... |
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Post by paleoferroequine on Nov 11, 2009 16:41:53 GMT
OK, I listened to you and there are new pictures above. Is it better now? ;D
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Post by Radman on Nov 11, 2009 18:48:19 GMT
It looks cool and very pissed off (i.e., mad). Maybe it's because of the projectile diarrhea.  That would ruin anyone's day. But(t) seriously, very nice job. I like the effort you put into the background. ;D |
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Post by franchesca on Nov 11, 2009 19:38:46 GMT
Looks much better bravo! |
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Post by paleoferroequine on Nov 11, 2009 20:53:15 GMT
It does look better, but there is more evidence that it had a shorter trunk like I did before. Oh, well It could be worse  There is a paper out; Gregor, et al (2000) that groups Deinotherium with Barytherium and puts both branching earlier in the Eocene and closer to Sirens.  Ouch!  Oh, my eyes!!!! |
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Post by kikimalou on Nov 11, 2009 20:57:01 GMT
Very nice and the trunk enhance the moving sensation. Don't worry about the projectile diarrhea, It is nearly finished on the last pic ;D |
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Pretty much the pose of that Safari elephant. Even worse is the fact that to reposition the legs is major surgery involving the upper legs which are buried more or less in the body 
My best bet is to find a figure in a very fast run or just do the whole thing myself.
![[][][]cordylus[][][] Avatar](http://files.sharenator.com/Troll_Face_U_MAD_RE_wrestling_1-s407x405-126802.jpg)
There is a paper out; Gregor, et al (2000) that groups Deinotherium with Barytherium and puts both branching earlier in the Eocene and closer to Sirens.
Oh, my eyes!!!!