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Re: Jurassic fight club « Reply #81 on Apr 3, 2009, 2:32am »
I said Big Al was the size of a Ceratosaurus! And besides, most of the specimens of Allosaurs we have are around the size of Ceratosaurus.
I did not say Alloaurus was 20 feet long.
Ceratosaurus would have been a threat to Allosaurs, just as Mountain Lions are a threat to Bears. They were obviously capable of killing large Dinosaurs.Although not as large as Allosaurus, Ceratosaurus did have weaponry, and was a good sized animal.
I doubt any Allosaurus could take on two fully grown Ceratosaurs without seriously injuring itself.
Also remember that Allosaurus was lightly built, and its tail made up for most of its body length.
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Re: Jurassic fight club « Reply #82 on Apr 3, 2009, 2:36am »
Except that there is convincing evidence suggesting that allos hunted in packs. I only see these two in conflict regarding maybe a carcass or something. And if such confrontations did occur, there is safety in numbers. And, really, size doesn't always mean much.
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Re: Jurassic fight club « Reply #83 on Apr 3, 2009, 2:39am »
True. We have evidence for Ceratosaurs hunting in at least pairs most likely. I am not saying they were more powerful than Allosaurus. I am simply saying they were probably not to be taken lightly, and could have hurt an Allosaurus if it was outnumbered and/or overpowered.
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Re: Jurassic fight club « Reply #84 on Apr 3, 2009, 2:47am »
I personally, would never take any theropod dino lightly, especially if I ever encountered one. Anything that can bite, maim, and/or eat me would never be taken lightly. And I bet rival theropods would see it the same way.
I said Big Al was the size of a Ceratosaurus! And besides, most of the specimens of Allosaurs we have are around the size of Ceratosaurus.
I did not say Alloaurus was 20 feet long.
Ceratosaurus would have been a threat to Allosaurs, just as Mountain Lions are a threat to Bears. They were obviously capable of killing large Dinosaurs.Although not as large as Allosaurus, Ceratosaurus did have weaponry, and was a good sized animal.
I doubt any Allosaurus could take on two fully grown Ceratosaurs without seriously injuring itself.
Also remember that Allosaurus was lightly built, and its tail made up for most of its body length.
Oh, so now a 160 pound Mountain Lion is going to be a threat to a !,000 pound Grizzily.The Grizzily is 5 times stronger then a Mountain Lion.
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Re: Jurassic fight club « Reply #86 on Apr 3, 2009, 3:42am »
Really I don't see any of these predators going out of there way just to fight... with modern predators there is some sort of display of power when two similar predators confront one another...usually it involves fleeing of one party and maybe chasing or ignoring the escapee. Fights only occur when food gets really scarce, an animal is too young to know it chances, or young of one species is stumbled upon by another species.
Killing for the sake of killing does happen in the wild just not among predators.. it's usually a prey/predator thing.
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I said Big Al was the size of a Ceratosaurus! And besides, most of the specimens of Allosaurs we have are around the size of Ceratosaurus.
I did not say Alloaurus was 20 feet long.
Ceratosaurus would have been a threat to Allosaurs, just as Mountain Lions are a threat to Bears. They were obviously capable of killing large Dinosaurs.Although not as large as Allosaurus, Ceratosaurus did have weaponry, and was a good sized animal.
I doubt any Allosaurus could take on two fully grown Ceratosaurs without seriously injuring itself.
Also remember that Allosaurus was lightly built, and its tail made up for most of its body length.
Oh, so now a 160 pound Mountain Lion is going to be a threat to a !,000 pound Grizzily.The Grizzily is 5 times stronger then a Mountain Lion.
Mountain Lions have been known to kill adult Black Bears Stoneage. They are more equipped and skillful predators. Size isn't always everything.
Black Bears don't weight but 500 lbs. Most way even less.
Who said anything about grizzlies? I said Black Bears. They are like Allosaurus to Mountain Lions, which would basically be Ceratosaurs.
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You never said black bears! I'm sorry for derailing, but you are just WRONG there! You only said bears tyrannax, so that could have meant any type of bear, including grizzlies.
10 meters is 33 feet. That allosaurus on the chart is about two meters short. That is about the average for allosaurus. So the chart is right.
That would make it about the size of the Allosaurus skeleton posed as if feeding from the remains of an Apatosaurus in the American Museum of Natural History,which is the largest one that can be positively identified as Allosaurus fragilis
You keep changing your allosaurus size. First you said it was on average 27 feet. Now you say 27 feet is the largest! Make up your mind!
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Re: Jurassic fight club « Reply #91 on Apr 3, 2009, 9:09pm »
Looks like you got me there:
This specimen (AMNH 5753) is indeed 27 feet. But the specimen I meant was (AMNH 680),the largest definitive Allosaurus fragilis estimated to be 32 feet long (Again though,consider that the source I got this estimate from is Wikipedia so it could still be a load of crap...)
Who said anything about grizzlies? I said Black Bears. They are like Allosaurus to Mountain Lions, which would basically be Ceratosaurs.
Quick observations are fun!
You never said black bears! I'm sorry for derailing, but you are just WRONG there! You only said bears tyrannax, so that could have meant any type of bear, including grizzlies.
Read Cordy, read. I said "Mountain Lions have been known to take down adult Black Bears"
Before that I said bears, but before anyone said anything about grizzlies I said black bears.
Really Allosaurus isn't a heavyweight Theropod, and Ceratosaurus could have most certainly been a match to a small degree. Many Allosaurs were probably under 30 feet long! Ceratosaurus was around 20, and probably grew larger as well.
Do not forget Allosaurus' tail was long, so length isn't a massive ordeal in this argument. Weight is. Allosaurus was heavier, and had the upper-hand, but could most certainly could have been harmed fighting an Allosaurus.
Really Allosaurus isn't a heavyweight Theropod, and Ceratosaurus could have most certainly been a match. Many Allosaurs were probably under 30 feet long! Ceratosaurus was around 20, and probably grew larger as well.
OK. Ceratosaurus was around twenty, and even though it grew over that sometimes, that was extremely rare, so that doesn't matter. If you want to put your twenty-four foot ceratosaur against my 39 foot allosaurus maximus, go right ahead.
You never said black bears! I'm sorry for derailing, but you are just WRONG there! You only said bears tyrannax, so that could have meant any type of bear, including grizzlies.
Read Cordy, read. I said "Mountain Lions have been known to take down adult Black Bears"
Before that I said bears, but before anyone said anything about grizzlies I said black bears.
Really Allosaurus isn't a heavyweight Theropod, and Ceratosaurus could have most certainly been a match. Many Allosaurs were probably under 30 feet long! Ceratosaurus was around 20, and probably grew larger as well.
Do not forget Allosaurus' tail was long, so length isn't a massive ordeal in this argument. Weight is. Allosaurus was heavier, and had the upper-hand, but could most certainly have been killed fighting a Ceratosaurus.
Wait just a minute! You didn't say blackbears you said, "Mountain Lions are a threat to Bears". Maybe their a threat to the cubs but I don't think Mountain Lions hunt bears!
Really Allosaurus isn't a heavyweight Theropod, and Ceratosaurus could have most certainly been a match. Many Allosaurs were probably under 30 feet long! Ceratosaurus was around 20, and probably grew larger as well.
OK. Ceratosaurus was around twenty, and even though it grew over that sometimes, that was extremely rare, so that doesn't matter. If you want to put your twenty-four foot ceratosaur against my 39 foot allosaurus maximus, go right ahead.
It would have run around the big allosaur's head like a cat in a cartoon!
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Re: Jurassic fight club « Reply #97 on Apr 4, 2009, 8:31am »
I said Bears, but I immediately specified Black Bears by using them as an example. If you want to believe a Mountain Lion could harm a Grizzly, go ahead.
Who said they hunted Bears? I said they were a threat. Prove to me I'm wrong.
So your stating an adult Ceratosaurus would be an easy kill for Allosaurus? Really? You realize most Allosaurus do not grow 39 feet long, right? Alright..
I did not realize you knew the threat other theropods were to Allosaurus? Please, tell me why a 20 foot long Ceratosaurus could not hurt an Allosaurus?
I said Bears, but I immediately specified Black Bears by using them as an example. If you want to believe a Mountain Lion could harm a Grizzly, go ahead.
Who said they hunted Bears? I said they were a threat. Prove to me I'm wrong.
So your stating an adult Ceratosaurus would be an easy kill for Allosaurus? Really? You realize most Allosaurus do not grow 39 feet long, right? Alright..
I did not realize you knew the threat other theropods were to Allosaurus? Please, tell me why a 20 foot long Ceratosaurus could not hurt an Allosaurus?
The short of it is this:A 20 foot Ceratosaurus,while smaller and lighter than an average 27 foot Allosaurus,would certainly not have been so safe for the allosaur to attack as seen on that show,since the Ceratosaurus did have fewer,but larger teeth (a fact not mentioned on that show).
If the makers of that show wanted to be believable,they should have choreographed the animated scenes between the Allosaurus and Ceratosaurus a little differently. In real life,an Allosaurus would not have survived having a Ceratosaurus pounce up onto it's back and sink it's teeth deep into the back of it's neck as seen at one point on that show.If they wanted the allosaur to win,the should at least have it get to a vital spot on the ceratosaur before taking what would be mortal wounds
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