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« Reply #20 on Sept 22, 2008, 10:08pm »


Sept 21, 2008, 4:36am, stoneage wrote:

Sept 21, 2008, 2:09am, kustom65 wrote:


A theropod is a DE-modified bird. I, at least, will be interested to see what comes of this.
:o I can see it now first people will start screaming, then running and finally dying! Help its here, it's gonna


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Even JP knows the way JP portrays dinosaurs is complete BS. They even had to come up with a logical excuse why T. rex would go on a Godzilla-style rampage: drugs!

If a T. rex as running around loose in a populated area and wasn't automatically afraid of humans, cars, etc., somebody, or a cop or something would just shoot it in the head. The end.
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« Reply #21 on Sept 22, 2008, 10:14pm »

Sure, police armed with .9mm weapons will kill easily a t-rex ::) Once I saw a video of a poor elephant that got angry with his trainer and killed him and broke the jail of the circus it was on. It made a big mess but it took the cops 88 shoots to kill him. Now I wonder how many would take to take down a t rex?
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« Reply #22 on Sept 22, 2008, 10:31pm »

Tyrannosaurus would tear up those cops before finally dying. In any case, weapons are cheating. Tyrannosaurus dosen't use guns. Lets put 100 cops against a T-Rex without using guns. Now that's fair. ;D
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Sept 22, 2008, 10:31pm, Tyrannax wrote:
Lets put 100 cops against a T-Rex without using guns. Now that's fair. ;D



Eh eh eh... 8-) ;D
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« Reply #24 on Sept 22, 2008, 10:41pm »


Sept 22, 2008, 10:31pm, Tyrannax wrote:
T Tyrannosaurus dosen't use guns.


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;D Don't they use an elephant gun when they hunt elephants. I would think you would need something more then a 9mm. I know the police have had trouble bringing people down with a .38 pistol. If I was hunting a T-Rex I think my weapon of choice would be a Bazooka. ;D
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Sept 22, 2008, 10:31pm, Tyrannax wrote:
Tyrannosaurus would tear up those cops before finally dying. In any case, weapons are cheating. Tyrannosaurus dosen't use guns. Lets put 100 cops against a T-Rex without using guns. Now that's fair. ;D


You think an animal being shot at is gonna run *towards* the cops?
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« Reply #27 on Sept 23, 2008, 5:54pm »

I'm a bit skeptical of this. I watched the show, but it's going to take a lot more than just growing teeth and tails in chicken embryos to get something even close to resembling a theropod dinosaur. Don't get your hopes up for seeing this happen anytime soon, kustom.
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Sept 23, 2008, 9:02am, thagomizer wrote:

Sept 22, 2008, 10:31pm, Tyrannax wrote:
Tyrannosaurus would tear up those cops before finally dying. In any case, weapons are cheating. Tyrannosaurus dosen't use guns. Lets put 100 cops against a T-Rex without using guns. Now that's fair. ;D


You think an animal being shot at is gonna run *towards* the cops?


If it's a mother Tyrannosaurus protecting her young, yes she would run right at the cops and attack. Its pure instinct. Does a mother bear attack a hunter even though it is being shot at? Yes, yes it does.
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Sept 23, 2008, 7:16pm, Tyrannax wrote:

Sept 23, 2008, 9:02am, thagomizer wrote:


You think an animal being shot at is gonna run *towards* the cops?


If it's a mother Tyrannosaurus protecting her young, yes she would run right at the cops and attack. Its pure instinct. Does a mother bear attack a hunter even though it is being shot at? Yes, yes it does.

oh yes, mother bears are one of the most dangerous animals... but of course a t rex would prefer to escape from danger, but if necessary, it would attack. That's nature
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« Reply #30 on Sept 23, 2008, 11:33pm »

Everyone knows T. rex was just a scavenger ... so nothing to worry about!! You could walk right up to it and pet it.
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Please don't get me started. Tyrannosaurus was NOt, I repeat NOt a scavenger. He was an oppurtunist most likely, like a lion. It has been researched and it is concluded that he most likely couldn't support his weight by just eating carcasses that he found. One major adaptation he had was excellent depth perception - meaning he could actually face his prey or adversary and attack head on. Would he really need this for scavenging? No, he'd need good olfactory cells. Which he does, but this doesn't necessarily prove scavenging, just a sharp nose for finding prey, or possibly, kills when he could find them. But he is, in no way, just a scavenger. He has too many hunting advantages too much evidence of predation, but I won't get into that right now. I'm sorry I had to sum this up into a paragraph, but I could go on and on. If you need more info on Tyrannosaurus, just pm me.

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« Reply #32 on Sept 24, 2008, 3:33am »

You really don't get sarcasm, do you? :P
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You really don't get sarcasm, do you? :P


Not with T-Rex, no. ::)
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Please don't get me started. Tyrannosaurus was NOt, I repeat NOt a scavenger. He was an oppurtunist most likely, like a lion. It has been researched and it is concluded that he most likely couldn't support his weight by just eating carcasses that he found. One major adaptation he had was excellent depth perception - meaning he could actually face his prey or adversary and attack head on. Would he really need this for scavenging? No, he'd need good olfactory cells. Which he does, but this doesn't necessarily prove scavenging, just a sharp nose for finding prey, or possibly, kills when he could find them. But he is, in no way, just a scavenger. He has too many hunting advantages too much evidence of predation, but I won't get into that right now. I'm sorry I had to sum this up into a paragraph, but I could go on and on. If you need more info on Tyrannosaurus, just pm me.

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A lion is nothing more than an opportunist, thieving jerk. Lionesses do all the work, hyenas hunt and then lose it to big guys with cat mullets, leopards get killed by bullies after all of their hard work.

Do you really want T rex associated with that?

And for the record, T rex's olfactory was not nearly as large or as good as once thought (the research that told us that, through Crichton, looked at the wrong part of the brain, apparently).
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Sept 24, 2008, 3:31am, Tyrannax wrote:
Please don't get me started. Tyrannosaurus was NOt, I repeat NOt a scavenger. He was an oppurtunist most likely, like a lion. It has been researched and it is concluded that he most likely couldn't support his weight by just eating carcasses that he found. One major adaptation he had was excellent depth perception - meaning he could actually face his prey or adversary and attack head on. Would he really need this for scavenging? No, he'd need good olfactory cells. Which he does, but this doesn't necessarily prove scavenging, just a sharp nose for finding prey, or possibly, kills when he could find them. But he is, in no way, just a scavenger. He has too many hunting advantages too much evidence of predation, but I won't get into that right now. I'm sorry I had to sum this up into a paragraph, but I could go on and on. If you need more info on Tyrannosaurus, just pm me.

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I was indeed joking! :D

There's no way T.rex was a scavenger -- well, you've seen my painting! My belief is that T.rex was a very patient ambush predator -- it HAD to rely on the element of surprise. It couldn't simply walk up to its desired prey item from a distance, although that's just what many paintings and CGI scenarios depict. That prey is gonna FLEE LIKE CRAZY unless it doesn't see Rex until it's too late.

I even harbour a secret theory that rexes may have lurked near the shore in water holes, etc. I can't see any reason why not.
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« Reply #36 on Sept 24, 2008, 3:48am »

As for T.rex having a great sense of smell to prove the scavenger idea, well that's just silly. A highly-developed sense of smell is also very useful for detecting LIVE prey, an invaluable asset for a predator that had to lurk in wait for hours on end.
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I do wonder how they hunted, I mean, it was pretty big and all (so much for stealth and swiftness)
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I do wonder how they hunted, I mean, it was pretty big and all (so much for stealth and swiftness)


I just see it as suddenly lunging out from behind heavy foliage, rocks or water and grabbing it's prey in those massive jaws. That'd be enough to rip a major limb or tail off almost right away, so the victim would be maimed and doomed almost immediately, and unable to defend itself even if it had a face full of horns -- again, see my painting for my view on this.
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Sept 24, 2008, 3:48am, kustom65 wrote:
As for T.rex having a great sense of smell to prove the scavenger idea, well that's just silly. A highly-developed sense of smell is also very useful for detecting LIVE prey, an invaluable asset for a predator that had to lurk in wait for hours on end.


Exactly, think you for agreeing with me. :) Also sbell, when I was researching T-Rex (I do so quite often), I read an article that does in fact imply that it wasn't as big as once thought. However, I didn't say he had massive olfactory cells, I simply said he had "good" olfactory cells, which he did. Also, my relative (who is a paleontologist) did say that scientists were wrong about that. So, yes, I agree with you, and, not knowing much about big cats, I apologize for comparing Tyrannosaurus to them. ;D

Also, once again, i'm sorry about the aggressiveness when someone is being sarcastic about T-Rex! ;D

Tyrannosaurus, like many large theropods, wasn't exactly a "speed demon". There are two strong beliefs. 1: That Tyrannosaurus couldn't go over 10 mph. 2: That he could hit speeds of 20 miles per hour. Both theories are worth debating and more scientific study, but, in my opinion, judging by his long legs (Not exactly long shins, but relatively long for his size) and hollow bones I believe he could hit 15- maybe 20 mph. In any case, Tyrannosaurus didn't need much speed, as his prey- Ananotitan, Ankylosaurus, Triceratops, etc, were even slower. He wasn't cut out for sneaking up on his prey, such as Allosaurus was, he simply ran them down and when he bit, he'd either kill the animal, or brake just about anything that came in between his jaws. His bite force was nearly 10 tons, that's 20,000 lbs per square inch!.

If Tyrannosaurus was a scavenger, btw, why did animals of his time (Triceratopsa - Ankylosaurus) have such strong defense mechanisms?
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