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Post by Libraraptor on Jul 29, 2008 12:39:43 GMT
Can anyone help? I just stumbled over an awesome animal and now I´m desperately confused. It is a Corythosaurus or a Tsintaosaurus. And it looks like Invicta, it feels like Invicta (same material) and it bears the same details as Invicta, but there is nothing written on it as is on the Invictas. I´ve been told it has been bought in the British Museum in London and now it belongs to a high school teaching collection not willing to give it away  I show you some pictures and I´m really thankful for any kind of comment. Is it an Invicta prototype? Even a "bootleg"? Or simply Chinasaurus, what I don´t think because of its details and material. It´s even Invicta scale. So what do you think?  Do I overrate this matter?  Looks like a strange blend of the Invicta Lambeosaurus and the Iguanodon, doesn´t it?  Here you see it from behind.  An Invicta Megalosaurus may help you compare the scale.  Head detail.  Style comparison - again with the Megalosaurus. |
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jul 29, 2008 13:50:55 GMT
I see the similarity, but its substandard for Invicta in my opinion. Interesting figure. I think it is a probably a chinasaur.
i bet Sbell will know.
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Post by tomhet on Jul 29, 2008 15:54:39 GMT
I concur, it's a little bit inferior compared to the old Invictas. Even if they bought it at the Museum, it could be another line.
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Post by sbell on Jul 29, 2008 16:32:03 GMT
The only other ones I can think of are the ROM Lambeosaurus (not exactly the same, but the style is similar)  It might be a knock off of the ROM--it has the same type of crest. Waiphoon had some for a while, but appear not to have them on their site anymore, and I don't remember what they looked like. |
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Post by Libraraptor on Jul 29, 2008 17:09:52 GMT
Thanks so far, guys! I was aware of the imperfectness of "my" Lambeosaurus compared to those Invicta dinosaurs and I also thought it was some kind of knockoff but I didn´t know from what. Now I see the similarity between that ROM dinosaur and the Invictas and my Chinasaurus (?) and yes, the makers may have been inspired by it.
By the way: Referring to sbells picture - Do all ROM dinosaurs have that Invicta - touch? And if the answer is yes (I would appreciate seeing other ROM Dinosaurs), where can I buy them?
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Post by sbell on Jul 29, 2008 17:37:47 GMT
Thanks so far, guys! I was aware of the imperfectness of "my" Lambeosaurus compared to those Invicta dinosaurs and I also thought it was some kind of knockoff but I didn´t know from what. Now I see the similarity between that ROM dinosaur and the Invictas and my Chinasaurus (?) and yes, the makers may have been inspired by it. By the way: Referring to sbells picture - Do all ROM dinosaurs have that Invicta - touch? And if the answer is yes (I would appreciate seeing other ROM Dinosaurs), where can I buy them? They are very Marx/Invicta inspired. And to find them: Ebay. For a potentially large sum of money. Especially the Sternopterygius. |
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Post by Libraraptor on Jul 29, 2008 17:42:59 GMT
I didn´t find any other "ROM" dinosaur anywhere. Do you have some other pictures? And does ROM mean "Royal Ontario Museum". I´m from Germany and it´s often hard to get all the American stuff.
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Post by stoneage on Jul 29, 2008 20:54:07 GMT
If you want to see pictures go to the dinosaur collector site and look under ROM Dinosaurs under toy companys, they picture them all. ROM was released in 1977. The Invicta Lambeosaurus came out in 1993. So I think ROM had more influence on Invicta then the other way around. I have all the original Gray ROM Dinosaurs which are similar in size to Marx but smaller then Invicta.
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Post by bokisaurus on Jul 30, 2008 1:53:33 GMT
The figure looks cool. I agree, it could be a Chinasaurus, make a good addition the the Invicta line. Photo of my ROM dinosaur set. [im  g][/img] |
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jul 30, 2008 9:10:54 GMT
Were these all released simultaneously? Looks like there could have been 50 years interval between the rex and the hadrosaur  |
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Post by Libraraptor on Jul 30, 2008 9:17:45 GMT
I immediately fell in love with those ROM guys. But Dinotoyforum is right: There seem to be years between the T.rex leaning on its tail and the Parasaurolophus an all fours. For example take the new Epixx /Procon series, there it walks on its hind legs again - not very modern I guess.
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Post by stoneage on Jul 30, 2008 14:50:48 GMT
It's an Albertosaurus since all these Dinosaurs were found in Alberta, Canada. I think it was called the Judith river formation. Besides what is shown here there was a Pteranodon, Stegosaurus, and Stenopterygis (fish). All of these were released originally in gray as a set in 1977.
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Post by sbell on Jul 30, 2008 21:47:38 GMT
It's an Albertosaurus since all these Dinosaurs were found in Alberta, Canada. I think it was called the Judith river formation. Besides what is shown here there was a Pteranodon, Stegosaurus, and Stenopterygis (fish). All of these were released originally in gray as a set in 1977. Sternopterygius is an ichthyosaur, and is certainly not from Alberta at all. Pteranodon has never been (definitely) found there either. No sauropods either. In other words, there is a little of everything--most likely (unless it is labelled otherwise) that theropod is preobably meant ot be a rex. And I do believe they were produced by the Canadian arm of Marx (or Lido, or one of those companies). Which explains the flat colouring. Sadly, while I grew up seeing them at my local zoo--the Calgary zoo, no less--I never owned any of them. |
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Post by stoneage on Jul 30, 2008 22:03:26 GMT
Well the Albertosaurus and the Chasmosaurus are from the Judith River Formation. Albertosaurus is closely related to T-Rex. The Dinosaur Collector shows them all labeled as i said.
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Post by bolesey on Jul 31, 2008 3:00:58 GMT
Can anyone help? I just stumbled over an awesome animal and now I´m desperately confused. It is a Corythosaurus or a Tsintaosaurus. And it looks like Invicta, it feels like Invicta (same material) and it bears the same details as Invicta, but there is nothing written on it as is on the Invictas. I´ve been told it has been bought in the British Museum in London and now it belongs to a high school teaching collection not willing to give it away I show you some pictures and I´m really thankful for any kind of comment. Is it an Invicta prototype? Even a "bootleg"? Or simply Chinasaurus, what I don´t think because of its details and material. It´s even Invicta scale. So what do you think? Do I overrate this matter? I have the very same figure... and I thought the same thing. The plastic is much the same as Invicta. The pose and molding, and scale are also typical of Invicta. It even has those crocodillian ridges sculpted in the tail, which are also very typical of Invicta. However. The sculpt is definately not BMNH quality. There's a lot of detail with all the scales, but the anatomy is much weaker. The artists who sculpted the BMNH figures had an understanding of anatomy, but the artist who sculpted this was more of an amateur. I haven't come across any 'Chinasaurs' like this. Even the cheapest would at least say 'China' underneath. It wouldn't surprise me if there is some connection with Invicta. I would guess that it may have been molded by someone who worked at Invicta. Incidentally, I picked up mine in the Natural History Museum in Basal, Switzerland, 3 or 4 years ago. I believe it is intended to represent a Tsintosaurus. |
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Post by bokisaurus on Jul 31, 2008 5:46:21 GMT
As far as I know all the 8 figures were released around the same time, around 1977. Yes, the Albertasaurus is the weakest of the figures. I don't have the stenoptergis and pteranodon, both are very hard to find and can be very expensive! Check out www.dinosaurcollector.150m.com/rom.htm for the complete photo of the figures. He also have photos of 2 knock (Chinasaurus) offs versions that actually looks pretty cool. |
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Post by tomhet on Jul 31, 2008 5:55:56 GMT
I liked the Albertosaurus best ;D
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jul 31, 2008 8:17:59 GMT
Hi Bolesey (and welcome!),
You bought this very figure just a few years ago? - that's recent! How was is packaged, if at all? And were there others in the same series or style?
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Post by bolesey on Jul 31, 2008 17:55:40 GMT
Thanks for the welcome No packaging, it was loose. I believe they had a few other figures from different makers, but this was the only one reminiscent of Invicta. They may have had some actual Invicta figures as well, but memory is fuzzy on that one. It's starting to bother me now... at the time I was more interested in the books I was getting. I remember they had a bunch of the same hadrosaur models, but that was it. |
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Post by Libraraptor on Aug 1, 2008 12:04:59 GMT
Wow, bolesey! You have this animal - I don´t. I already held it in my hand but as you might have read the school where I found it won´t give it away. I guess if I asked the Tsintaosaurus to go with me it would say no - or would you leave such a good assemblage (see picture).  I just sent a question concerning this very animal to the woman in charge of the museumshop in Basel, Switzerland. Do they still have it in stock? Would they send it to Germany? I can´t wait to get her answer. Seems my confusion decreases the more my research goes on. |
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Do I overrate this matter?
