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« Thread Started on Jul 29, 2008, 12:39pm » | |
Can anyone help? I just stumbled over an awesome animal and now Iīm desperately confused. It is a Corythosaurus or a Tsintaosaurus. And it looks like Invicta, it feels like Invicta (same material) and it bears the same details as Invicta, but there is nothing written on it as is on the Invictas. Iīve been told it has been bought in the British Museum in London and now it belongs to a high school teaching collection not willing to give it away  I show you some pictures and Iīm really thankful for any kind of comment. Is it an Invicta prototype? Even a "bootleg"? Or simply Chinasaurus, what I donīt think because of its details and material. Itīs even Invicta scale. So what do you think?  Do I overrate this matter?
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Looks like a strange blend of the Invicta Lambeosaurus and the Iguanodon, doesnīt it?
![[image]](http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p366/Eiten_2008/Seltsamesvieh004.jpg)
Here you see it from behind.
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An Invicta Megalosaurus may help you compare the scale.
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Head detail.
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Style comparison - again with the Megalosaurus.
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« Reply #1 on Jul 29, 2008, 1:50pm » | |
I see the similarity, but its substandard for Invicta in my opinion. Interesting figure. I think it is a probably a chinasaur.
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« Reply #2 on Jul 29, 2008, 3:54pm » | |
I concur, it's a little bit inferior compared to the old Invictas. Even if they bought it at the Museum, it could be another line.
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« Reply #3 on Jul 29, 2008, 4:32pm » | |
The only other ones I can think of are the ROM Lambeosaurus (not exactly the same, but the style is similar)
![[image]](http://www.dinosaurcollector.150m.com/rom_files/rom_lamb_sm.jpg)
It might be a knock off of the ROM--it has the same type of crest. Waiphoon had some for a while, but appear not to have them on their site anymore, and I don't remember what they looked like.
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« Reply #4 on Jul 29, 2008, 5:09pm » | |
Thanks so far, guys! I was aware of the imperfectness of "my" Lambeosaurus compared to those Invicta dinosaurs and I also thought it was some kind of knockoff but I didnīt know from what. Now I see the similarity between that ROM dinosaur and the Invictas and my Chinasaurus (?) and yes, the makers may have been inspired by it.
By the way: Referring to sbells picture - Do all ROM dinosaurs have that Invicta - touch? And if the answer is yes (I would appreciate seeing other ROM Dinosaurs), where can I buy them?
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« Reply #5 on Jul 29, 2008, 5:37pm » | |
Jul 29, 2008, 5:09pm, Libraraptor wrote:Thanks so far, guys! I was aware of the imperfectness of "my" Lambeosaurus compared to those Invicta dinosaurs and I also thought it was some kind of knockoff but I didnīt know from what. Now I see the similarity between that ROM dinosaur and the Invictas and my Chinasaurus (?) and yes, the makers may have been inspired by it.
By the way: Referring to sbells picture - Do all ROM dinosaurs have that Invicta - touch? And if the answer is yes (I would appreciate seeing other ROM Dinosaurs), where can I buy them? |
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They are very Marx/Invicta inspired.
And to find them: Ebay. For a potentially large sum of money. Especially the Sternopterygius.
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« Reply #6 on Jul 29, 2008, 5:42pm » | |
I didnīt find any other "ROM" dinosaur anywhere. Do you have some other pictures? And does ROM mean "Royal Ontario Museum". Iīm from Germany and itīs often hard to get all the American stuff.
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« Reply #7 on Jul 29, 2008, 8:54pm » | |
If you want to see pictures go to the dinosaur collector site and look under ROM Dinosaurs under toy companys, they picture them all. ROM was released in 1977. The Invicta Lambeosaurus came out in 1993. So I think ROM had more influence on Invicta then the other way around. I have all the original Gray ROM Dinosaurs which are similar in size to Marx but smaller then Invicta.
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« Reply #8 on Jul 30, 2008, 1:53am » | |
The figure looks cool. I agree, it could be a Chinasaurus, make a good addition the the Invicta line. Photo of my ROM dinosaur set.
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« Reply #9 on Jul 30, 2008, 9:10am » | |
Were these all released simultaneously? Looks like there could have been 50 years interval between the rex and the hadrosaur 
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« Reply #10 on Jul 30, 2008, 9:17am » | |
I immediately fell in love with those ROM guys. But Dinotoyforum is right: There seem to be years between the T.rex leaning on its tail and the Parasaurolophus an all fours. For example take the new Epixx /Procon series, there it walks on its hind legs again - not very modern I guess.
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« Reply #11 on Jul 30, 2008, 2:50pm » | |
It's an Albertosaurus since all these Dinosaurs were found in Alberta, Canada. I think it was called the Judith river formation. Besides what is shown here there was a Pteranodon, Stegosaurus, and Stenopterygis (fish). All of these were released originally in gray as a set in 1977.
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« Reply #12 on Jul 30, 2008, 9:47pm » | |
Jul 30, 2008, 2:50pm, stoneage wrote:| It's an Albertosaurus since all these Dinosaurs were found in Alberta, Canada. I think it was called the Judith river formation. Besides what is shown here there was a Pteranodon, Stegosaurus, and Stenopterygis (fish). All of these were released originally in gray as a set in 1977. |
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Sternopterygius is an ichthyosaur, and is certainly not from Alberta at all. Pteranodon has never been (definitely) found there either. No sauropods either.
In other words, there is a little of everything--most likely (unless it is labelled otherwise) that theropod is preobably meant ot be a rex.
And I do believe they were produced by the Canadian arm of Marx (or Lido, or one of those companies). Which explains the flat colouring.
Sadly, while I grew up seeing them at my local zoo--the Calgary zoo, no less--I never owned any of them.
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« Reply #13 on Jul 30, 2008, 10:03pm » | |
Well the Albertosaurus and the Chasmosaurus are from the Judith River Formation. Albertosaurus is closely related to T-Rex. The Dinosaur Collector shows them all labeled as i said.
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« Reply #14 on Jul 31, 2008, 3:00am » | |
Jul 29, 2008, 12:39pm, Libraraptor wrote:Can anyone help? I just stumbled over an awesome animal and now Iīm desperately confused. It is a Corythosaurus or a Tsintaosaurus. And it looks like Invicta, it feels like Invicta (same material) and it bears the same details as Invicta, but there is nothing written on it as is on the Invictas. Iīve been told it has been bought in the British Museum in London and now it belongs to a high school teaching collection not willing to give it away I show you some pictures and Iīm really thankful for any kind of comment. Is it an Invicta prototype? Even a "bootleg"? Or simply Chinasaurus, what I donīt think because of its details and material. Itīs even Invicta scale. So what do you think? Do I overrate this matter?
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I have the very same figure... and I thought the same thing. The plastic is much the same as Invicta. The pose and molding, and scale are also typical of Invicta. It even has those crocodillian ridges sculpted in the tail, which are also very typical of Invicta.
However. The sculpt is definately not BMNH quality. There's a lot of detail with all the scales, but the anatomy is much weaker. The artists who sculpted the BMNH figures had an understanding of anatomy, but the artist who sculpted this was more of an amateur.
I haven't come across any 'Chinasaurs' like this. Even the cheapest would at least say 'China' underneath. It wouldn't surprise me if there is some connection with Invicta. I would guess that it may have been molded by someone who worked at Invicta.
Incidentally, I picked up mine in the Natural History Museum in Basal, Switzerland, 3 or 4 years ago. I believe it is intended to represent a Tsintosaurus.
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« Reply #15 on Jul 31, 2008, 5:46am » | |
As far as I know all the 8 figures were released around the same time, around 1977. Yes, the Albertasaurus is the weakest of the figures. I don't have the stenoptergis and pteranodon, both are very hard to find and can be very expensive! Check out http://www.dinosaurcollector.150m.com/rom.htm for the complete photo of the figures. He also have photos of 2 knock (Chinasaurus) offs versions that actually looks pretty cool.
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« Reply #16 on Jul 31, 2008, 5:55am » | |
I liked the Albertosaurus best 
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« Reply #17 on Jul 31, 2008, 8:17am » | |
Hi Bolesey (and welcome!),
You bought this very figure just a few years ago? - that's recent! How was is packaged, if at all? And were there others in the same series or style?
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« Reply #18 on Jul 31, 2008, 5:55pm » | |
Thanks for the welcome
No packaging, it was loose. I believe they had a few other figures from different makers, but this was the only one reminiscent of Invicta. They may have had some actual Invicta figures as well, but memory is fuzzy on that one.
It's starting to bother me now... at the time I was more interested in the books I was getting. I remember they had a bunch of the same hadrosaur models, but that was it.
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« Reply #19 on Aug 1, 2008, 12:04pm » | |
Wow, bolesey! You have this animal - I donīt. I already held it in my hand but as you might have read the school where I found it wonīt give it away. I guess if I asked the Tsintaosaurus to go with me it would say no - or would you leave such a good assemblage (see picture).
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I just sent a question concerning this very animal to the woman in charge of the museumshop in Basel, Switzerland. Do they still have it in stock? Would they send it to Germany? I canīt wait to get her answer.
Seems my confusion decreases the more my research goes on.
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