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Post by Tyrannax on Oct 1, 2008 21:11:25 GMT
I'm talking to my uncle on the phone, he also says Allosaurus probably couldn't jump. I told him about my reference book and he said "Yeah the Reference book is right, it is a theory, but the idea of Allosaurus "jumping" hasn't been researched much. There has been several explanations for the wounds on the ribs of the sauropod. It is extremely unlikely a massive animal like Allosaurus could leap onto the side of a Camarosaurus and rip it to shreds. It is, however, likely that he could manage to "hop" You can actually see this in "Walking with Dinosaurs" The Allosaurus hopped up slightly and snapped at the at the Diplodocus head, but in no way could he actually jump"
I'm actually telling him to stop and repeat what he said so I can copy his sentences word for word onto this post. ;D
I agree with him now, so you win this time stoneage, but I'll be watching you like a hawk. You will sense someone's behind you, but when you turn around no one will be there. Have a nice day. ;D
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Post by stoneage on Oct 1, 2008 21:30:29 GMT
Oh the terror!
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Post by Tyrannax on Oct 1, 2008 22:29:08 GMT
Oh the terror! Dang right you better be scared! ;D
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Post by stoneage on Oct 2, 2008 21:30:11 GMT
Oh the terror! Dang right you better be scared! ;D ;D Are you going to get me with all your little lizards.
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Post by Tyrannax on Oct 2, 2008 21:39:10 GMT
Yes, yes....that a great idea! I will send my league of viscous lizards to attack you. And, if that isn't enough, I may have to convince Cordylus to send his lizards after you too ;D
Lizards (All of my lizards)- Diet: Superworms...but also have a taste for JUSTICE! Substrate: Paper towels, repti-carpet, and a pile of JUSTICE!
You saw my pics, my lizard raped....I mean.....killed that T-Rex... ;D
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Oct 3, 2008 22:41:46 GMT
Dang right you better be scared! ;D ;D Are you going to get me with all your little lizards. Don't diss the lizards. You know they are better then you are. I kid, I kid
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Post by Tyrannax on Oct 5, 2008 8:20:59 GMT
;D Are you going to get me with all your little lizards. Don't diss the lizards. You know they are better then you are. I kid, I kid Ur kidding? Because I completely agree with you on the lizard thing. ;D
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Post by stoneage on Oct 5, 2008 14:17:29 GMT
Don't diss the lizards. You know they are better then you are. I kid, I kid Ur kidding? Because I completely agree with you on the lizard thing. ;D ;D So I'm less then a lizard. What am I an Amphibian? Do I live under a slippery rock in swamp water? At least Bell got to be a Baboon. ;D
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Post by Tyrannax on Oct 5, 2008 20:55:27 GMT
No, you are human!!!!!!! All humans are less then reptiles ;D Jk / JK
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Post by kuni on Oct 21, 2008 18:37:59 GMT
Is the issue with the jumping or the landing?
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Post by Tyrannax on Oct 21, 2008 18:57:31 GMT
Both ;D
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Post by kuni on Nov 8, 2008 21:20:12 GMT
Found this, you guys might find it interesting: scientists.dmns.org/sites/kencarpenter/PDFs%20of%20publications/theropod%20predation.pdfIt's about raptor hunting techniques and evidence of a direct predation event by T-Rex on a hadrosaur. Some interesting bits: 1) Raptors may not have been pack hunters, as they appear to cannibalize their own at kill sites, more like komodo dragons than wolves. 2) The raptor claw was not a slashing weapon used on the back of a herbivore, it was a precise stabbing weapon used to sever arteries around the throat. 3) A hadrosaur skeleton with a healed "bite" mark on one of its vertebrae, along with evidence of bone regrowth on the vertebrae befeore and after. According to the author, no carnivore in that habitat OTHER than T-Rex could have managed a bite like that.
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Post by itstwentybelow on Nov 21, 2008 1:43:45 GMT
[/quote]However young Allosaurs may have been able to jump and just outgrow it as they become bigger.[/quote]
I think that's a good assumption right there, stoneage. I think that younger, more nimble individuals of genera like Allosaurus and T. rex stuck together, and possibly assisted the adults in hunting, as they were undoubtedly more agile, and could have had the ability to leap at prey. I think these animals formed family groups, with the younger individuals fulfilling the role of attacking and driving prey toward the adults, who finished the job.
It just isn't likely at all, Tyrannax, that a 4 ton piece of meat like a fully grown Allosaurus was leaving the ground anytime soon because in the fight of Allosaurus vs gravity, Allosaurus would lose. Big time. As in crashing to the ground, breaking bones and sustaining internal injuries. 4 tons is not as much as a T.rex, but it's still A LOT of weight to have to support on two legs. Sure, some larger theropods had massive leg bones, but so do elephants and they aren't exactly acrobats either. Granted, elephants aren't top predators, but 4 tons is 4 tons.
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Nov 21, 2008 1:48:14 GMT
^ I think I saw an elephant rear up and jump at a circus.
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Post by Tyrannax on Nov 21, 2008 4:53:46 GMT
^ I think I saw an elephant rear up and jump at a circus. Really? That's some crazy shiznit. ;D Well, I'm not saying it could, but we don't know how bees can fly. And because Allosaurus is a bird relative, maybe it could hop a little. Unlikely, but a good conversation starter. ;D
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Post by tetonbabydoll on Nov 21, 2008 5:18:25 GMT
:-/Tell it to the Science Channel, they had a program on lately that had a cgi Giganotosaurus leaping on and off of boulders like a bird would. They went so far as to show it in a modern setting, walking out og the museum, HOPPING onto the roof of a city bus, crushing it, then hopping back down and walking away, with no apparent injury. The bus, however was mangled and totaled! I laughed SO hard....
Also didn't Jurassic Fight Club depict Allos as moderate leapers???
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Post by crazycrowman on Nov 21, 2008 6:35:10 GMT
"but we don't know how bees can fly." www.livescience.com/animals/060110_bee_fight.htmlThis is a commonly touted, but incorrect statement. We know perfectly well how bees fly, and it is not against the "laws of nature". Its on the same boat as "ducks quacks don't echo". They do. Elephants can rear up, but can not really "jump". (It may be possible for young elephants to "jump", but not in the way we think of other animals jumping) www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1462/can-elephants-jumpI wonder how much we overestimate the weights of some of these predatory animals, in part because of making considerations for hollow bones and air sacs.
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Post by kuni on Nov 21, 2008 7:30:59 GMT
Fixed the end part of my paper post from earlier. Tyrannax in particular should like the edit to #3.
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Post by Tyrannax on Nov 21, 2008 8:11:20 GMT
:-/Tell it to the Science Channel, they had a program on lately that had a cgi Giganotosaurus leaping on and off of boulders like a bird would. They went so far as to show it in a modern setting, walking out og the museum, HOPPING onto the roof of a city bus, crushing it, then hopping back down and walking away, with no apparent injury. The bus, however was mangled and totaled! I laughed SO hard.... Also didn't Jurassic Fight Club depict Allos as moderate leapers??? That's the big discovery on how bees fly? I figured that's how they flew. Its not rocket science to figure out that the bee obviously flaps fast enough to keep itself in the air. Kinda like a hummingbird. ;D Yes, I've read about that. It's very interesting, but its almost self explanatory that Tyrannosaurus wasn't just a scavenger. Jack Horner just wants attention and thinks he's a big man for saying he doesn't like T-Rex on t.v. OOhhh! That will make the kids and scientists like him! Don't say you don't like an animal on t.v....particularly the most popular animal that has ever existed.
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Post by crazycrowman on Nov 21, 2008 17:41:40 GMT
"That's the big discovery on how bees fly? I figured that's how they flew." So you are saying that you figured that the "secret" to bee flight was the unconventional combination of short, choppy wing strokes, a rapid rotation of the wing as it flops over and reverses direction, and a very fast wing-beat frequency ? "Its not rocket science to figure out that the bee obviously flaps fast enough to keep itself in the air." Hummingbirds do not flap their wings like most other bird species, rather they moves their wings in more or less a figure-eight pattern. This helps them make precise movements other birds can not, and do things like fly backwards. Quite different in many ways then bee flight. www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3XT6qoNMMQThe only "mystery" to how bees flew was the fact that they "defied" some of the "standard" aerodynamical principles until the animals could be carefully scrutinized while moving. "particularly the most popular animal that has ever existed." I dunno, that award probably goes to dogs.
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