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Post by therizinosaurus on Oct 8, 2008 23:35:37 GMT
I personally think that if Battat's were continued and were readily available, they would be no where near as praised as they are now.
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Oct 8, 2008 23:57:05 GMT
I personally think that if Battat's were continued and were readily available, they would be no where near as praised as they are now. I think that too. I think the diplodocus would be no more valuable than the new carnegie one, and the utahraptor would be next to nothing.
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Post by stoneage on Oct 9, 2008 2:29:15 GMT
I personally think that if Battat's were continued and were readily available, they would be no where near as praised as they are now. I think that too. I think the diplodocus would be no more valuable than the new carnegie one, and the utahraptor would be next to nothing. ;D When Battat came out the only thing close to it was Carnegie. Many at the time claimed they were the best dinosaurs available. I still think they stand up well. If they had continued I think we would have had a lot of great dinosaur figures. The reason the price is so high now is there relative rarity, and the fact that they are decent figures. You guys are just jealous. ;D
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Post by therizinosaurus on Oct 9, 2008 2:38:16 GMT
Jealous? I have the complete set!
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Post by stoneage on Oct 9, 2008 2:43:40 GMT
Jealous? I have the complete set! ;D Good then if you don't like it sell it. If there not worth it better to have the money. ;D
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Post by therizinosaurus on Oct 9, 2008 2:50:52 GMT
I love them! I just don't think they are the best series ever made...(waits for criticism)...
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Post by tomhet on Oct 9, 2008 3:18:59 GMT
Here we again with Procon. Why do you get so mad every time somebody says something nice about Procon? You don't have to like it or buy any Procon figures, but you also don't have to be mean and always put the line down. BTW, here is Randy's exact line in regards to to Battat and Procon figures: "dessign quality is still uneven. Spinosaurus and Shunusaurus looks chubby like UKRD figures while others, like Olorititan, Rebbachisaurus, and Lexovisarus, have details and body torsion equal to Batta's figures". See? I don't think that was bad at all. I think reading the entire article ( topic is something old and something new) will make a lot more sense. Sorry boki, I'm not trying to be mean, (to you or to Randy), but I have the impression that he's not being objective. And it's not just Procon. At first the PT gang praised the Papos (I've read it myself) but all of a sudden everybody started bashing them. That seems unfair to me. Back then the Battats were very well done compared to the other main line, Carnegie, and the quality of their figures was pretty even (by the way, I never said anything about what they cost today, that's beside the point). Procon, on the other hand, is way behind the leading company in almost every aspect (IMHO that would be Safari) and produces very few decent sculpts. I don't think a comparison fits here. Again, I'm sorry if I offended someone here, it's just that I'm against this kind of figures because the dino industry doesn't need more ugliness, in a world where kids prefer movie toys, dinosaurs need to be as attractive as possible, not just cheap. I love them! I just don't think they are the best series ever made...(waits for criticism)... I'm not saying that it should be considered the best set (I mean, I think so, but not everybody has to agree with me) Which one do you think is best?
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Post by bokisaurus on Oct 9, 2008 23:42:54 GMT
Here we again with Procon. Why do you get so mad every time somebody says something nice about Procon? You don't have to like it or buy any Procon figures, but you also don't have to be mean and always put the line down. BTW, here is Randy's exact line in regards to to Battat and Procon figures: "dessign quality is still uneven. Spinosaurus and Shunusaurus looks chubby like UKRD figures while others, like Olorititan, Rebbachisaurus, and Lexovisarus, have details and body torsion equal to Batta's figures". See? I don't think that was bad at all. I think reading the entire article ( topic is something old and something new) will make a lot more sense. Sorry boki, I'm not trying to be mean, (to you or to Randy), but I have the impression that he's not being objective. And it's not just Procon. At first the PT gang praised the Papos (I've read it myself) but all of a sudden everybody started bashing them. That seems unfair to me. Back then the Battats were very well done compared to the other main line, Carnegie, and the quality of their figures was pretty even (by the way, I never said anything about what they cost today, that's beside the point). Procon, on the other hand, is way behind the leading company in almost every aspect (IMHO that would be Safari) and produces very few decent sculpts. I don't think a comparison fits here. Again, I'm sorry if I offended someone here, it's just that I'm against this kind of figures because the dino industry doesn't need more ugliness, in a world where kids prefer movie toys, dinosaurs need to be as attractive as possible, not just cheap. I love them! I just don't think they are the best series ever made...(waits for criticism)... I'm not saying that it should be considered the best set (I mean, I think so, but not everybody has to agree with me) Which one do you think is best? I just don't understand why you get so upset As I said, reading the article will make more sense since it is a historical review and not a promotional write up for ANY line at all. I agree that we don't need any more ugly figures, but I don't think that all of Procon's figures are ugly at all (they were the only one to release a marine reptile and duckbill this year,both good figures IMHO). In fact the deluxe versions are really well made, better than some of the more established line (they don't get the same reaction/opposition) and within the same price range. And Procon is a very young (4 years maybe?), and small company compared to all the other like Safari, Schleich, Bullyland ( all three have major museum backing,too). All these company produce a lot more than just dinosaur figures (very small % of the entire company product line). They don't have the same resource like the more establish ones. Procon has taken a very big risk by trying to release species that's never been done before ( like Battat did during it's time,look where that got them ) and introduce them to the general public ( not just dinosaur fans). The dinosaur figure graveyard is littered with some very well made figures like the Battat and Kinto figures, not to mention the demise of KMI prehistoric sea monster set this year . Unfortunately both are now extinct and a big part of that was the price of the figures compared to the ugly cheap ones from China. So the trick is to be able to produce figures that is affordable and still good and will interest new audience due to it being new and or strange. And I agree about kids preference this days. I also do know that they tend to be interested in the strange looking ones,too ( i work in retail BTW). And frankly,in this days economic environment, I think parents will be more willing to shell out $6 for a Procon figure instead of $20-25 for Safari/Schlich/Bully/Papo. Give Procon time to mature (if they don't become another Battat), after all even Safari's figure were not that good when they first came out. But after many years, look at what they are producing now! Battat is still considered by many as one of the best line of dinosaur figures ever produced. Not just because they are now gone, but also by the quality and scale of each figures, the imaginative colors and pose, and by the obscure species they choose to produce. For me, the best line of fires are the ones that withstood the test of time (like Invictas dinosaur figures). That's it for me, don't hate me ok ;D I hope you got the package I sent yah and like it ;D
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Post by stoneage on Oct 9, 2008 23:57:59 GMT
I agree with you that some of the Procon figures aren't too bad. Their small theropods leave something to be desired. Some are fairly good some are not so hot. The thing is, if they continue, the potential is there, if they make an effort. I have some of them and I think some look better in person like the Pachyrhinosaurus then in their pictures. Wait and see, if you don't like them don't buy them. At least its one more choice for the collector. ;D
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Oct 14, 2008 16:46:59 GMT
Anyone know the current readership figures? And the date of the very first issue?
Just interested...
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Oct 22, 2008 9:33:42 GMT
The new issue arrived today number 87 So nobody have any idea how many readers PT has? I want to know if it is worth placing an ad or not....
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Post by stoneage on Oct 22, 2008 15:07:56 GMT
You might check with Mike Fredericks at PT. It seems to me it would be in the thousands.
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Post by tetonbabydoll on Oct 29, 2008 13:50:03 GMT
My first issue arrived My first impression is that I'm impressed with the volume of the content and number of graphics - there is more info on toys than I was expecting. Maybe that is not always the case. The slightly amateurish formatting bugs me (I'm a pedant) but it's not a big deal really, so long as the content is good (I haven't read any of it yet). I'm glad I subscribed I have had a few issues, but it is only stocked in ONE bookstore in all of the city. It has always had a lean towards the toys and sculpures. And lots of art. It is a good mag.
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Post by tetonbabydoll on Oct 29, 2008 14:00:51 GMT
I wish I had the option of not buying a toy, but most stores around here don't carry dinos. My local hobby shop carried mainly carnegie, and a spattering of Papo. But they have not had a new shipment all summer. I had never even HEARD of Battat until I joined here. Be glad you have ugly ones, even, as opposed to none at all. BTW, I LIKE the Battat Styraco, if that offer is still around? ( REALLY want the Diplo, but I gather that is a typical response.... ).
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