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Post by nobs on Feb 12, 2008 20:27:32 GMT
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Feb 12, 2008 23:13:23 GMT
The mainstream news is always behind the actual science. Velafrons was described in the Dec. 2007 issue of JVP!  Still cool though! |
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Post by EmperorDinobot on Feb 12, 2008 23:40:37 GMT
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Feb 13, 2008 11:06:29 GMT
China!
Fake! Faaaaaaaaake!
That's the rule of thumb isn't it Pilty? ;D
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Post by EmperorDinobot on Feb 13, 2008 16:26:45 GMT
IT's not a dinosaur. It's a pterosaur! Yahoo got it wrong! WROOONG! Wrong!
*laughs maniacally a la The Joker*
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Feb 13, 2008 16:54:16 GMT
Oh groan.
and plesiosaurs et al. are NOT swimming dinosaurs.
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Post by EmperorDinobot on Feb 13, 2008 18:26:06 GMT
They STILL say that?!
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Feb 13, 2008 18:27:28 GMT
Sometimes. Unfortunately. |
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Post by piltdown on Feb 13, 2008 22:22:07 GMT
China! Fake! Faaaaaaaaake! That's the rule of thumb isn't it Pilty? ;D Why yes ;D It's indeed another Communist piece of patchwork. They should call it Archaeopterodacytlus liaoningensis |
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Feb 13, 2008 23:27:44 GMT
China! Fake! Faaaaaaaaake! That's the rule of thumb isn't it Pilty? ;D Why yes ;D It's indeed another Communist piece of patchwork. They should call it Archaeopterodacytlus liaoningensis  ay ay ay  |
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Post by piltdown on Feb 14, 2008 5:38:46 GMT
Mainland China has given the world fake Rolex watches, fake designer label clothing, fake medicines, fake DVDs, und so weiter; why not fake dinosaurs and prehistoric animal fossils? ;D |
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Feb 14, 2008 11:31:11 GMT
Mainland China has given the world fake Rolex watches, fake designer label clothing, fake medicines, fake DVDs, und so weiter; why not fake dinosaurs and prehistoric animal fossils? ;D Nobody is arguing that the Chinese locals haven't, couldn't, or wouldn't fake fossils. But this doesn't mean every fossil from China must be a fake. Might I clarify something? The word 'fake' is open to interpretation. Even 'Archaeoraptor' is geuine fossil material with genuine fossil feathers. It just happens to be a composite of a bird and a dino. So to clarify, do you accept that the fossil feathers themselves are genuine? Are you suggesting that the chinese dinobirds are fake, in that they are all composites of genuine birds and dinosaurs? Or are you doubting the genuine nature of the fossil material itself? I think its about time we created a dinobird thread for this topic. I like the disussion, it gets my brain juices flowing. You also made some comments on dinoworld, which I have not yet responded to. I may copy-paste that here, would that be OK? |
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Post by piltdown on Feb 14, 2008 12:48:47 GMT
Yes, there are indeed genuine dinosaur fossils in Liaoning--which in fact complicates the situation. How does one distinguish between a fake portions and the real portions of a fossil, especially one that is peeled and patched together? Perhaps some of the feathers are real--they just happened to be originally attached to birds, as they would be in real life ;D , and were only transferred to the dromeosaurs when the 'farmers' dicovered how much archaeoraptor fetched ;D -- I initially felt uneasy debating the issue, especially since I'm not really familiar with dinosaur & bird bones and anatomy and I'm disputing paleontologists   , but Papo raptor begged me to help her save her honour as a scaly dinosaur against such aspersions cast upon her, and I felt I couldn't abandon a damsel in distress, even one with killer claws ;D |
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Post by piltdown on Feb 14, 2008 12:52:25 GMT
Somewhere in Liaoning there is a 'peasant' and his henchman, a failed paleo, chuckling at the thought of four-winged birds. "I didn't think we could get away with it! A four-winged bird! Imagine!" said one. Replied the other,' foreign devils will believe anything" ;D
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Feb 14, 2008 12:54:23 GMT
How does one distinguish between a fake portions and the real portions of a fossil Again, what do you mean by fake portions? You mean bones have been sculpted in clay, and feathers have been scratched into the surface of the rock? |
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Feb 14, 2008 12:58:25 GMT
Somewhere in Liaoning there is a 'peasant' and his henchman, a failed paleo, chuckling at the thought of four-winged birds No, four-winged-dinosaurs! ;D |
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Post by piltdown on Feb 14, 2008 13:04:56 GMT
I certainly wouldn't put it past a old-style trained Chinese calligrapher to paint brushstrokes that resemble feathers on, say, a fossil of Jeholornis. And it is more likely that instead of starting from scratch they would take bits and pieces from several different critters to form a chimera -- again, archaeoraptor is the paradigm. We just haven't caught the rest yet, since apparently the tests that could conclude once and for all the composition and structure of the "fuzz" are too destructive of the specimen.
And the lesson from archaeoraptor is that not even an X-ray and a CAT-scan caught the problem -- the X-ray was pictured on the original archaeoraptor article. It was not modern technology but the objections of ornithologists (Storrs Olson's blistering critique of National Geographic comes to mind) that broke the case open, along with Xu Xing luckily finding the genuine other half of archaeoraptor, or whatever it is called now. If Xu Xing had not found the counterslab and the other half of the dino, I am virtually certain Czerkas and Currie and Norell and Padian and Chiappe would be fighting Feduccia and Larry Martin tooth and nail till this day and proclaiming archaeoraptor as genuine.
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Post by EmperorDinobot on Feb 15, 2008 2:52:27 GMT
The slab was a fused Microraptor and a...birdyboy.
I understand Piltdown's plight! I mean, it's like the very foundations of paleontology and paleornithology were shaken when the National Geographic thought they were too cool and released this d**n fake w/o any warrant or official description. THAT is bad science.
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Feb 15, 2008 10:12:20 GMT
One could argue that it wasn't science at all.
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ay ay ay 
, but Papo raptor begged me to help her save her honour as a scaly dinosaur against such aspersions cast upon her, and I felt I couldn't abandon a damsel in distress, even one with killer claws ;D