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Post by dinonikii on Feb 14, 2012 18:55:51 GMT
Julien Romeo used Galileo's sculptures, scanned then without permission to create a demo reel and not even credit him for the using of his sculptures ( Galileo's sculptures) is that fair?, Hes taking all the credit. I saw the video Galileo posted on facebook(it is a JP reel full of 3Dmodeling and computer generated JP critters and compound buildings etc.), and saw the angry post he attached to the posted you tube link-there is a lot of irony in this sItuation, and not being involved at all, and not really knowing either party(only know Galileo through seeing his work, do not know him at all personally- my only direct contact with him was a botched attempt to trade with him- I offered to take photos of the Juvie Ceratosaur skeleton that they have in Kenosha in exchange for a kit he was talking of sculpting a life size juvie cerato online-I took the train up there, had to transfer trains once, took a lot of photos that as an artist I knew would be helpful for sculpting and took the train back home-an all day trip really-I emailed him a lot of photos but never received the promised kit-I am not one to point fingers when it comes to taking a long time to get product to someone, but I always do get it there eventually) I think I want to give an out side artist's perspective- First Galileo unwittingly is promoting this guy's demo reel by posting it for him on facebook so that I find ironic- I think that the whole thing brings up a question I have with JP fan art in general- isnt it just bootlegging? JP is a movie franchise that has had a lot of merchandising of many different products all licensed by the movie makers I would imagine. When artists make their own kits and sculptures to sell for profit, without written consent from the movie makers, isnt it just bootlegging? I am not sure of the laws here, but it seems that for example if I were to make say draw artwork and make T-Shirts of a band and sell them for profit I am considered a bootlegger- if I were to record a cover version of a song by another band and issue it without them getting royalties it is unlawful- I find it sort of ironic that Galileo is upset at this guy scanning his sculptures and using them as starting points for his 3d modeling- Galileo did not come up with the designs for these JP dinos the artists involved in the movies spent many hours I am sure working out the designs, all he did was copy these designs, they were not his original works-it would be like me copying say Renoir or VanGogh paintings and getting upset that someone used them without my permission-I do not have the rights to these painted images I copied-I think it is the same with the JP sculpted copies-I do not think he has the rights to these images to begin with-I may be wrong, I am just talking about an abstract idea regarding rights of artworks That's not the point. Look. What IF I take one of your dinosaurs scan it and use it for an animation and say look at my great work, you may find this annoying, wouldn't you?
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Post by dinonikii on Feb 14, 2012 18:58:03 GMT
Julien Romeo used Galileo's sculptures, scanned then without permission to create a demo reel and not even credit him for the using of his sculptures ( Galileo's sculptures) is that fair?, Hes taking all the credit. I saw the video Galileo posted on facebook(it is a JP reel full of 3Dmodeling and computer generated JP critters and compound buildings etc.), and saw the angry post he attached to the posted you tube link-there is a lot of irony in this sItuation, and not being involved at all, and not really knowing either party(only know Galileo through seeing his work, do not know him at all personally- my only direct contact with him was a botched attempt to trade with him- I offered to take photos of the Juvie Ceratosaur skeleton that they have in Kenosha in exchange for a kit he was talking of sculpting a life size juvie cerato online-I took the train up there, had to transfer trains once, took a lot of photos that as an artist I knew would be helpful for sculpting and took the train back home-an all day trip really-I emailed him a lot of photos but never received the promised kit-I am not one to point fingers when it comes to taking a long time to get product to someone, but I always do get it there eventually) I think I want to give an out side artist's perspective- First Galileo unwittingly is promoting this guy's demo reel by posting it for him on facebook so that I find ironic- I think that the whole thing brings up a question I have with JP fan art in general- isnt it just bootlegging? JP is a movie franchise that has had a lot of merchandising of many different products all licensed by the movie makers I would imagine. When artists make their own kits and sculptures to sell for profit, without written consent from the movie makers, isnt it just bootlegging? I am not sure of the laws here, but it seems that for example if I were to make say draw artwork and make T-Shirts of a band and sell them for profit I am considered a bootlegger- if I were to record a cover version of a song by another band and issue it without them getting royalties it is unlawful- I find it sort of ironic that Galileo is upset at this guy scanning his sculptures and using them as starting points for his 3d modeling- Galileo did not come up with the designs for these JP dinos the artists involved in the movies spent many hours I am sure working out the designs, all he did was copy these designs, they were not his original works-it would be like me copying say Renoir or VanGogh paintings and getting upset that someone used them without my permission-I do not have the rights to these painted images I copied-I think it is the same with the JP sculpted copies-I do not think he has the rights to these images to begin with-I may be wrong, I am just talking about an abstract idea regarding rights of artworks You are saying ANGRY POST, are you sure He was angry? or are you inventing it?
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Post by dinonikii on Feb 14, 2012 19:06:28 GMT
First, the guy knew I will scan the maquettes, I PAYED THEM 40 to 50 % more than the price he show on his website because of that. He knew it, secondly I always gave him credit but when I saw he swindled me taking my money through paypal IN SEPTEMBER 2010 ( one year and a half ago) and NEVER sent me my two models or sending me a refund I though I will just credit him in the commentary. The guy post a lot of bad thing about me but I credited him to the real workers of Jurassic Park during my two visits of Legacy Effects AND during my visit of ILM AND when I meet Steven Spileberg I gave him my work with inside the work of Galileo with his name adress and phone. That's not a credit, to gave his work to Steven Spielberg? Since 6 months the guy just make me problems, and that's all, his ego want full credit for computer generated models when less than 1 % of his maquette is use to make them. I credited him for what he made and yet I was good with him after all the comment he made about me and all the people he sent to me telling them to insult me as he did with David. Before to talk, buy from him wait one year and a half, cry for you 500 USD, ask for you model and get no answer, then spend all the day deleting injurious post on you facebook and youtube channel thanks to him and know who Galileo really is. Pls Julien. How can you prove that you helped him, who of us can ask to Steven Spielberg ? Pls if you are not giving him credit in this little demo reel how can We expect you to credit him when meeting the big guys. Gaileo Says that He was a very good friend with you, that He gave you one of a kind Sculptures for 500 USD tell me where were you be able to get that price for such a beautiful sculpture? Yes he took a lot of time to finish the baby T rex and the baby Stego but When you started to take advantage to take all the credit for your " Big JP model collection" " the most important after the ILM one" Well Galileo Simply Finds this very unfair. Hes not ANGRY cause He know that sometimes When We start getting higher and Higher We ofter forget Where We came from and Who helped us to get there. PLS DONT FORGET JULIEN, BE GOOD, He Told you before you posted your Video, He Told you " Don't be like the kind of people who takes advantage over others to reach your goals". MAKE FRIENDS NOT ENEMIES.
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Post by dinonikii on Feb 14, 2012 19:13:21 GMT
Aw, man. This is getting out of hand. I've never had dealings with Galileo, but he sure has been in the middle of numerous problems (not necessarily implying that he is always the cause). I obviously don't know the whole story, but I must admit that what giu3232 has said here isn't all that surprising. It's good to hear his side of the story. Sorry to hear about all your troubles giu3232. Now, if only we could get Galileo's...oh right, he was banned for bad conduct...go figure. I, for one, am really glad I've stayed clear of geenemodels. I'm trying really hard not to talk ill of anyone, but, I'm sorry, guys. It does frustrate me to hear all these customers being taken advantage of. Moreover, Galileo made a racist comment against asians once (which I am) so maybe my views are biased. Pls be very careful with your statments, RACIST how? Pls show evidences or pls remove your comment cause this looks really ugly.
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Post by 0onarcissisto0 on Feb 14, 2012 19:44:09 GMT
You're right. I don't feel like looking through the thousands of posts just to find that particular comment and unless I do, it's inappropriate to make that kind of comment in passing. I've modified my initial post. Moreover, I certainly don't wanna open that up in a dinosaur forum.
Anyway, guys, let's not have a repeat of events past. PM people if interested in digging further. Otherwise, let's just stick to the topic of the thread.
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Post by simon on Feb 14, 2012 20:17:59 GMT
Aw, man. This is getting out of hand. I've never had dealings with Galileo, but he sure has been in the middle of numerous problems (not necessarily implying that he is always the cause). I obviously don't know the whole story, but I must admit that what giu3232 has said here isn't all that surprising. It's good to hear his side of the story. Sorry to hear about all your troubles giu3232. Now, if only we could get Galileo's...oh right, he was banned for bad conduct...go figure. I, for one, am really glad I've stayed clear of geenemodels. I'm trying really hard not to talk ill of anyone, but, I'm sorry, guys. It does frustrate me to hear all these customers being taken advantage of. Yeah, its a darn shame that he has developed such a bad customer service reputation because as a dino-artist the man is a genius. I have one of his 1/40 dinos I got 2 years ago with no trouble at all. The detailing for such a small model is truly mind-blowing. He needs to let someone else handle the casting/shipping of his dinos - one of his problems may be that he has been too successful and can't handle the load of orders - who knows?
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Post by dinonikii on Feb 14, 2012 22:28:55 GMT
Aw, man. This is getting out of hand. I've never had dealings with Galileo, but he sure has been in the middle of numerous problems (not necessarily implying that he is always the cause). I obviously don't know the whole story, but I must admit that what giu3232 has said here isn't all that surprising. It's good to hear his side of the story. Sorry to hear about all your troubles giu3232. Now, if only we could get Galileo's...oh right, he was banned for bad conduct...go figure. I, for one, am really glad I've stayed clear of geenemodels. I'm trying really hard not to talk ill of anyone, but, I'm sorry, guys. It does frustrate me to hear all these customers being taken advantage of. Yeah, its a darn shame that he has developed such a bad customer service reputation because as a dino-artist the man is a genius. I have one of his 1/40 dinos I got 2 years ago with no trouble at all. The detailing for such a small model is truly mind-blowing. He needs to let someone else handle the casting/shipping of his dinos - one of his problems may be that he has been too successful and can't handle the load of orders - who knows? bad reputation, what are you talking about? ALL the poeple has difficulties sometimes, thats all, I wonder if you are a perfect person with no inconveniences in your life and that let you call this or that to people, you have even called Galileo a drunk, and I am wondering why the admins haven't banned you yet. this is your post: I am starting to wonder if alcohol might have been involved on his end ..... it does tend to make some people very grumpy and 'loosens the tongue' ...
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Post by 0onarcissisto0 on Feb 14, 2012 22:43:09 GMT
To the admins,
Could we lock this thread down before this goes any further.
Thanks.
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Post by dinonikes on Feb 14, 2012 22:50:29 GMT
I reread my post above and wanted to clarify a bit- I did not mean to say that Galileo is a bootlegger, nor am I upset with him at all myself- I think I am probably one who understands what he might be going through more than most- I was just talking about the abstract issues involved with the situation discussed- personally, in answer to a question directed at me in an above post- I would not care if someone were to scan in one of my pieces and animate it, claiming it was theirs-it would be different if they scanned it in and offered it through a shapeways type situation- but really I wouldnt care in the other instance-I feel my stuff is known enough for what it is- I doubt anyone would scan my stuff to begin with- I think that anyone who is making JP fan art, especially ones that are near perfect replicas of the JP designs, isnt really making anything that they can lay claims to in an abstract way- they are designs made by Stan Winstons studio for Spielberg. Sure they made the sculpts, spent the time- even the video is along these lines- he didnt come up with the designs, he just animated existing designs. It reminds me of guitarists that can play for example a Henrix song note for note- where is the artistry in that-the guitarist spends the time figuring out the song, but can he then lay claim to it? I dont see a sculpt to be much different. I much prefer when Galileo sculpts non JP dinos, they are his- JP fan art doesnt interest me much-in fact I have been requestedto do some in the past but really didnt really want to go down that road even if it might lead to sales with JP fans- would rather make my own stuff- why reinvent the wheel?
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Feb 14, 2012 23:28:25 GMT
Maybe Julien can clarify, but I believe what he did was scan the models Galileo made for a rough base then fixed and tweaked them to be more accurate . Both he and Galileo based them on the JP designs..but neither are probably aren't 100% accurate. I believe Julien did create the designs he animated, but created them based on the existing designs from the film and props. Makes my head hurt trying to puzzle it out..maybe something for lawyers to figure out, certainly not me... :/
We had a good idea going here on the last pages, a need to setup a easy to view and read review board, we need to keep that going I think..focus on it instead.
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Post by Libraraptor on Feb 14, 2012 23:35:38 GMT
Since communication in this thread is obviously getting out of hand and I even read the word "racist" once, I pull the emercency break and lock this thread, at least temporarily. As long as we admins and mods investigate what went wrong here.
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