King Kong

[tomhet]

It wasn't a T-Rex per se, was it? It was some kind of generic theropod.

[Tyrannax]

Good question.

I thought it was listed as a Tyrannosaurus?

[tomhet]

It has 3 fingers though.

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

Feb 15, 2009 23:34:47 GMT @tomhet said:

It has 3 fingers though.

It was a tyrannosaurus.

Remember Tomhet, back in the thirties-fifties, they thought trex had the arms of an allosaurus, with three fingers. It was only when gorgosaurus showed up as a fossil with small, two fingered hands that it was presumed trex had two fingers. Then in the nineties a trex was discovered with a complete arm with a two fingered hand.

[tomhet]

It could be a Rex then, but was it official? Where does it say?

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

Yep, it's official. It's in all the special features of the dvd.

[dinonikes]

Wasn't there also a pterosaur that Kong kills in the original-up on his cliff ledge lair- did you ever read about the deleted lost scene from the original - there was a scene cut from the original after it opened as it deemed too scary-it was felt the scene distracted from the scariness of Kong-- it was when the guys are all getting shaken off of the log by Kong- they fell down into the deep ravine and origianlly some of them survived the fall and were attacked by giant spiders and lizards- one of the lizards can still be seen in the new cut, it climbs up to where Kong and the two guys hiding under the overhangs are- I think one of the guys cuts the vine it was climbing up and it falls- i saw a still of one of the spiders once published somewhere- it didn't look that scary- I guess back in '33 it was though

[dinonikes]

I also get a kick out of the killer sauropod in the original- attacks the expidition when they are rafting across the lake or pond, killing one guy who climbs up a tree to get away form the beast- talk about taking liberties with reality-lol

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

I remember that ptero. ;D He had his wings torn by kong.


I also remember the bendy-necked plesiosaur!

[dinonikes]

Yeah I think the plesiosaur was in the cave before Kong gets to his cliff lair-Kong sure kills a lot of prehistoric critters in his efforts to get Fay Wray home alone with him- it was a long time since I've seen the original- the last time I saw it the local library was showing it for cheap- it was nice to see it projected on a screen as opposed to seeing it on the tube- it was a restored copy too with all of the scenes that hadn't been shown on TV for quite some time- like the islander getting stepped on by Kong-squish-

[Tyrannax]

I love the movies, I do, but Kong gets on my nerves. Why does he have to go off and kill everything? ;D

I knew it was Tyrannosaurus...I own the dvd, but its at home.

[stoneage]

Feb 15, 2009 17:18:26 GMT [][][]cordylus[][][] said:

Aren't those all just picture of king kong?

Feb 15, 2009 16:32:04 GMT stoneage said:

CT King Kong doesn't exist he is science fiction. You never specified the 2005 movie which used the 25 foot tall Kong. Still what does it matter, it is impossible anyway. I have proven you wrong over and over again. Why do you persist? Gigantopithecus kongas does not exist in science or fiction. You made that up. You are delusional. ;D

Stoneage. Seriously, I am going to explain this to you. I suggest you read through the entire post and try to somewhat understand it.

From the people who made the movie, and judging by people compared to king kong king kong is about 25 feet tall. K?.

"Skull Island" would have been about the size of madagascar or new zealand a long time ago. Gigantopithecus arrived there, and the only way it could survive would be getting bigger. That is called "island gigantism". Other things on skull island got bigger too, like the giant crickets, maggots, scorpions, fishes, etc.

The island, then because of tectonic plate movements (if you don't know what that is I suggest you look it up), became much smaller very rapidly, and that had a disastrous effect on the wildlife. Many dinosaurs died, and all of king kong's species died besides kong himself. Notice all the broken walls, crumbling remains, etc in the move. That is because of volcanic activity and earthqukes.

Dec 28, 2008 2:08:51 GMT stoneage said:

Do you think everything is just one big joke?

Apparently you do. You always make a joke and then say "J/K ;D".


---And--- You never did prove me wrong. Instead you dismissed island gigantism, you said how big new zealand is, and you called me a cryptozoologist. Yep, you REALLY proved me wrong!

That last part was for stoneage.

;D All of Kongs species died? Haven't you heard of the movie Son Of Kong. That means there was a Mrs. Kong! Or do you think it was Immaculate conception? Yes insects could have gotten bigger on an island but not that big. Remember insects are limited by the Oxygen in the atmosphere. And remember science shows that large primates get smaller on an island. And please explain why fish would get bigger on an island when their in the water? Yes I know what tectonic plate movement is. And if it happened as suddenly as you have suggested (50 years) then I suspect all life on the island would have been destroyed. Sorry you lose again! ;D

[Tyrannax]

He's right.

Similar to why whales can't live on land. Their body weight is so intense, gravity would tear them in two.

Comparable to why insects stay small, but on a different level that doesn't have anything to do with weight.

In other words, organisms have restrictions.

[Ajax]

^^^Whales don't have legs, that's probably more of a reason they can't live on land,

[Tyrannax]

That fact is so obvious. Would anyone be interested in having it stated?

Plus, their skeletal design isn't and wasn't prepared for its increasing size. Over time it lost all land-dwelling features.

Notice with large sauropods, heavy as they are, are built elegantly. They are heavy, but designed to be somewhat light for their size. Their vertebrae have pockets of air, making them lighter.

When animals live in water, they can usually grow to massive proportions. Obviously this isn't true of all ocean going organisms, but some,like Great Whites and all fish in general do not stop growing until death.

[sid]

Yeah...I always felt bad when Kong destroyed the other inhabitants of Skull Island,either the V-Rexes (or the T.Rex in the original),or the Plesiosaur-like snake in the cave,or the Pteranodon...


...Heck,i feel bad whenever an animal is killed on-screen (even if i know they are - i hope - just specvial effects)


Anywyay...Is it just me,or the 1933 Kong looks a lot like Homer Simpson? ;D

(and everyone who has seen the Simpsons' parody "King Homer" will know what i mean)

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

Feb 16, 2009 5:34:29 GMT stoneage said:

Feb 15, 2009 17:18:26 GMT [][][]cordylus[][][] said:

Aren't those all just picture of king kong?




Stoneage. Seriously, I am going to explain this to you. I suggest you read through the entire post and try to somewhat understand it.

From the people who made the movie, and judging by people compared to king kong king kong is about 25 feet tall. K?.

"Skull Island" would have been about the size of madagascar or new zealand a long time ago. Gigantopithecus arrived there, and the only way it could survive would be getting bigger. That is called "island gigantism". Other things on skull island got bigger too, like the giant crickets, maggots, scorpions, fishes, etc.

The island, then because of tectonic plate movements (if you don't know what that is I suggest you look it up), became much smaller very rapidly, and that had a disastrous effect on the wildlife. Many dinosaurs died, and all of king kong's species died besides kong himself. Notice all the broken walls, crumbling remains, etc in the move. That is because of volcanic activity and earthqukes.



Apparently you do. You always make a joke and then say "J/K ;D".


---And--- You never did prove me wrong. Instead you dismissed island gigantism, you said how big new zealand is, and you called me a cryptozoologist. Yep, you REALLY proved me wrong!

That last part was for stoneage.

;D All of Kongs species died? Haven't you heard of the movie Son Of Kong. That means there was a Mrs. Kong! Or do you think it was Immaculate conception? Yes insects could have gotten bigger on an island but not that big. Remember insects are limited by the Oxygen in the atmosphere. And remember science shows that large primates get smaller on an island. And please explain why fish would get bigger on an island when their in the water? Yes I know what tectonic plate movement is. And if it happened as suddenly as you have suggested (50 years) then I suspect all life on the island would have been destroyed. Sorry you lose again! ;D

Yes, they all died. Son of Kong was just made to get a quick buck. And besides, once again, I am talking about the 2005 movie (hence the talk about the vastatosaurs). And just because "science has proved monkeys get smaller on islands" doesn't mean the same would have happened with gigantopithecus. And all the life on the island wouldn't have died in fifty years either you ignorant epic-failing brat. ( ;D ) Why would the fish get bigger when they're in water? Gee, I don't know. Maybe they had no natural predators in the water, so they could get big?

You epic fail so hard stoneage it isn't even funny. Although I thank you for not turning this into a joke.

[Tyrannax]

;D ;D

No comments... ;D

[tetonbabydoll]

Feb 16, 2009 18:52:04 GMT [][][]cordylus[][][] said:

Feb 16, 2009 5:34:29 GMT stoneage said:

;D All of Kongs species died? Haven't you heard of the movie Son Of Kong. That means there was a Mrs. Kong! Or do you think it was Immaculate conception? Yes insects could have gotten bigger on an island but not that big. Remember insects are limited by the Oxygen in the atmosphere. And remember science shows that large primates get smaller on an island. And please explain why fish would get bigger on an island when their in the water? Yes I know what tectonic plate movement is. And if it happened as suddenly as you have suggested (50 years) then I suspect all life on the island would have been destroyed. Sorry you lose again! ;D

Yes, they all died. Son of Kong was just made to get a quick buck. And besides, once again, I am talking about the 2005 movie (hence the talk about the vastatosaurs). And just because "science has proved monkeys get smaller on islands" doesn't mean the same would have happened with gigantopithecus. And all the life on the island wouldn't have died in fifty years either you ignorant epic-failing brat. ( ;D ) Why would the fish get bigger when they're in water? Gee, I don't know. Maybe they had no natural predators in the water, so they could get big?

You epic fail so hard stoneage it isn't even funny. Although I thank you for not turning this into a joke.

Now, I am probably wrong, but isn't dwarfism the normal evolutionary reaction to limited space and food on an island, as in pygmy mammoths, allos, and, er, humans. I know, I am just being silly. I addressed this in another thread somewhere. long ago. That island, in 2005, lost: mmm a herd of sauropods, a pack of raptor-ish theropods, THREE V-Rexes, several flying thingys, a few misc. large reptiles. And, in the extended scenes, a large ceratopsian and mosasaur-ish critter. All in, what, a day? Bad day for the island's ecosystem. Or, considering the drain on resources just one large herd of med. sized sauropods would be, a good, good day....There is not much chance that the ancestors to Kong would have been able to evolve to that size, with the v-rex and raptors occupying the apex predation role, I think.The mammals giants verses dinos is fun but not....you know, likely.

As for size, you get very good comparison shots with blondie in his hands, sheltering from a rex between his arms, and riding on his shoulder, also where Anne is trying to entertain him on the cliff. You get good reference of him in the theater, on the streets, interacting with modern vehicles, and interacting with the rexes. We know the relative sizes of all those things, so where is the big mystery.

Also, not to nitpick, but the ORIGINAL "Zilla v Kong was in Japanese, and Zilla won. My absolute favorite part, because it is so obvious, is a scene where Zilla uses his radioactive breath on Kong, and in the still shot, he is clearly frying kong's privates.....and, um, so bi-plane bullets kill him, but radioactive fire from a giant lizard just...annoys him a bit?

Anyway....

[sid]

Feb 17, 2009 11:24:25 GMT @tetonbabydoll said:

Also, not to nitpick, but the ORIGINAL "Zilla v Kong was in Japanese, and Zilla won. My absolute favorite part, because it is so obvious, is a scene where Zilla uses his radioactive breath on Kong, and in the still shot, he is clearly frying kong's privates.....and, um, so bi-plane bullets kill him, but radioactive fire from a giant lizard just...annoys him a bit?

Anyway....

I remember that scene (from Godzilla vs Kong)...Hilarious ;D