Dino Toy Line Questions- Original Thread -

[Tyrannax]

But everyone knows there were NO land dinosaurs. Dinosaurs only swam and flew. Who learned you? Didn't you go to college?


^ Rofl. How many mistakes can you catch?

I knew that would bother dinotoyforum about the "Marine dinosaurs" thing. ;D

[sbell]

Dec 10, 2008 18:26:52 GMT stoneage said:

Dec 10, 2008 17:38:19 GMT @tomhet said:

^^^^ Well, nobody here wants the Vendian set (other than you, me and stoneage that is), but the Devonian/Carboniferous/Permian set has a lot of potential.

Should we make a list of marine reptiles? A complete set like the Playvision one would be appreciated by collectors AND kids.

That would be great but I'd like the amphibians to be represented like Labyrinthodonts Crassigyrinus, Platyhystrix, Cacops, Peltobatrachus, and Eogyrinus etc. Plus the Lepospondyls Triadobatracus etc. ;D

So basically the PV amphibian set, with a much improved Eogyrinus (the model they used was pretty off the mark).

[stoneage]

Dec 10, 2008 19:14:33 GMT sbell said:

Dec 10, 2008 18:26:52 GMT stoneage said:

That would be great but I'd like the amphibians to be represented like Labyrinthodonts Crassigyrinus, Platyhystrix, Cacops, Peltobatrachus, and Eogyrinus etc. Plus the Lepospondyls Triadobatracus etc. ;D

So basically the PV amphibian set, with a much improved Eogyrinus (the model they used was pretty off the mark).

Yes that would be cool, especially since I'll likely never get, all the PV ones! ;D

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

Dec 10, 2008 18:44:57 GMT Dinotoyforum said:

Marine dinosaurs - blegh!

Spinosaurids could have been "marine"... And they are dinosaurs.....

[dinonikes]

I thought i should check in here-

I really appreciate the suggestions, I have, if nothing else learned about a lot of cool critters. Here are just a few of the thoughts/ reactions to all of your lists. I haven't had the time to really analize the lists so far to see who is most popular or anything. haven't made any decisions on way or the other -just raking through the thread.

-I really like irritator- it is a very cool head.
-I like any of the dinos in the original marx set, that is what I grew up with as a kid, still have one of the Moschops from then and it is pretty cool as i look at it right now.
-I really like the Devonian/ Carboniferous/ Permian set list don't recognize all of them , but like the ones I do.
-I really like the Hell Creek set idea. i could make a badlands style rock accessory piece.

I also want to just say that these WOULD be for the collector, any one outside the collector market, whether adults or the kids aren't really going to be seeing any of these unless they are tapped into the collector market in some way. The fact that they would be made by basically me in my garage, and that the methods are not by any means mass production. Maybe if I make some real cool toys it may lead elsewhere, that isn't a factor right now. This doesn't mean that these will be expensive collectibles.

I have a direct question for you guys-

I am goingto be making a duckbill carcass on my lunch breaks, not for any other reason than I want to, I am not thinking of it as part of any set at this point, could just be a separate accesory to start the ball rolling. Anyways, my question is this- what size in inches- length overall- should it be to make it to fit a good general range of the popular carnivore toys out there? It wouldn't fit in scale to all of them obviously, I am hoping to hit the most i can. I apologize for my ignorance, i do not really collect any toys now, and do not have the vast knowledge about these toys that you do.

Nothing really having anything to do with this, but I am excited- it looks like I am just about to start a project working on sculpting a scale model of a colosal squid. The final full size model will be 28 feet in overall length, counting the two tentacles sticking way out in front. The final sculpt will be in foam which I will cover with fiberglass and then sculpt the skin texture in polyester resin. It will be a very cool model. I like squids- and this is the big daddy of them all, right now at least. I didn't realize these colosal squids have rotating hooks on the two tentacles.

[Ajax]

A 1/40 scale is popular and this allows nice detail on most of the common meat-eaters, If you were to do a 1/40 scale a reasonable size for a duckbill carcass would be about 8-9 inches (tip to tail) All duckbills are different sizes but many of the popular ones were roughly this size and if its a carcass you probably won't recoginise the species.
You could show us progress pics of your models too, that would be cool.

[dinonikes]

Thanks, that ansers my question nicely.

I will post photos of the progress of these as I can.

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

When you make them, please make it so that paypal isn't the only way to pay.

[dinonikes]

Although paypal is a useful way to pay for some customers, and I can take paypal if a customer prefers, I would prefer not to be paid by paypal anyways. I have even given sale prices to customers that aren't elligible if using paypal, just so you know my feelings about the subject. I think they end up taking out far too much on each transaction, especially if a seller is trying to keep prices low. I will not be selling on ebay any longer either because of the large amount of fees you can run up there when selling. i was finding that selling my models on ebay wasn't very lucrative- once ebay takes their listing fee, then their cut of any sales on the back end, then they get another fee cut out through their paypal system, these guys are making money hand over fist. This proposed toy line will probably only be available through me directly on this site or any others I find that aren't ebay. The last straw for me as regards to ebay was when they changed their feedback system where sellers can't leave any negative feedback on customers, only the buyer can leave negative feedback- how is that reasonable. Sorry for my little rant on this subject.

[kuni]

I'm going to argue for a smaller duckbill carcass, more like 4-6 inches, though the tail might be curved a bit around the carcass, I dunno.

Why? Small duckbills were more likely to be eaten by a predator, so it's more "realistic", in a sense.

In addition, when it's a little smaller, you open it up to being used in scales from 1/40 all the way down to 1/80.

If the carcass was part of a set, then I'd argue more stridently for the 4-6-inches, as I think that's the ideal "playset" scale, but if it's a standalone "carnivore accessory", then maybe bigger.

[wheezy]

Usually in a 1/40 scale an animals size in meters is about how big the figure should be in inches.
For example a 10 meter(33ft) long dinosaur should become about a 10 in figure when scaled down in the 1/40 scale. or take 33 x 12 then /40 comes to 9.9 or about 10 in. I think that is why the museum lines use the 1/40 scale down it just makes it a little easier.

[dinonikes]

Thanks. That last rule about 1:40 scale is very useful. Any particular species of duckbill the carcass should be? I have my own idea just wondered if there were a general concesus. How far along should the carcass be eaten? -unrecognizable chomped away flesh and bones, or freshly started with the head pretty much untact but with the gut opened up emptied of organs tears at the legs etc. but still good part of dino left? I guess its all a matter of how much of the skeletal stuff you would want to be able to see.

[Meso-Cenozoic]

Wow, wheezy, I found that very interesting and useful. I never thought about it that way before. It will come in handy for me since most of my figures are 1/40 scale.

[Meso-Cenozoic]

For me, I'd like it to still be recognizable. Maybe just the guts and rib cage exposed and maybe a bite mark on it's broken neck. I also like the idea of making it 1/40 scale. I'm being a bit self-serving here because most of mine are of that scale, lol!

As far as the species, maybe something that's not done very often (or in some companies not at all). How about a Lambeosaurus or a Muttaburrasaurus or the really big guy, Shantungosaurus?

[wheezy]

As far as what species to make it would depend on which carnivore you want to have eating it. a t-rex would most likely pray upon an anatotitan or edmontosaurus. An albertosaurus would have prayed upon a lambeosaurine type duckbill such as parasaurolophus, lambeosaurus, or corythosaurus. Use what ever dinosaur you imagine eating the carcass then choose the duckbill. however if you haven't noticed yet some of the dinosaurs in the museum lines have not been scaled down properly. take the carnegie parasaurolophus for example it is 7 in long which make the animal size about 23 ft. the para however grew to be 33 ft. long so the figure is about 3in too small.

[dinonikes]

I think I will be sculpting a carcass of anatotitan. it will be recognizable with some munching having taken place with the gut opened up, hollowed out.That was one species that was on a few of the lists posted here. I haven't got any other lists of 15 of each in a while, i have approx. a dozen lists so far- I will give a period of til the end of the year to have put together a set list of each set. i will have completed prior commitments by then and the decks will be cleared to take off.

[dinonikes]

Oh, and the scale will be approx. 1:40.

[dinonikes]

^the duckbill carcass will be 1:40

[wheezy]

here is 15 dinos
T-rex
Triceratops
Stegosaurus
Parasaurolophus
Ankylosaurus
Alamosaurus
Stygimoloch
Struthiomimus
Utahraptor
Tsintaosaurus
Suchomimus
Therizinosaurus
Chasmosaurus
Kentrosaurus
Agustinia

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

Maybe you could make a small series out of metal? Maybe only produce like 30 of those, so they will be worth a lot.