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Post by sbell on Jul 28, 2009 16:53:44 GMT
Well, indoor ponds are sort of a special case since they're so much wider than a normal fish tank. A 160 gallon fish tank would be torture for a large-ish gar. Even then, multiple gars and 4 polypterus seems like a lot for a pond that size. Have you kept them before? They are very hardy fish, and are well adapted to (marginally) cramped conditions. As it was, they all had lots of room to move--when dealing with swamp-dwelling air breathers the most important issue is turning/swimming room, of which there was a great deal. I can't speak for the gars, but I do know that the Polypterus are still alive and doing well--and it has been almost 15 years (3 of them are now on display in a public museum).
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Post by kuni on Jul 28, 2009 19:25:45 GMT
I haven't kept gars before, though I saw a lot of them growing up in Florida. I've never seen a bowfin down here before, though, though they're very cool.
Turning room is more important volume for air-breathers, so I'm sure a shallow pond would work well. Turning room is one of the things stopping me from getter larger puffers than I have (the other reason being the lack of captive-bred species other than the dwarfs).
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Post by Tyrannax on Jul 28, 2009 19:34:16 GMT
I have kept a Needle nose Gar (Needle nose Fish). It grew to only 12 inches long and had all the characteristics of an actual Gar. Gar in general are slow moving fish, and do not actually need a large swimming area like most fish do. As long as they are fed live foods such as Silversides (Goldfish are not recommended as these can carry harmful bacteria, each having the potential to kill a Gar) these fish can live fine in small volumes of water.
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Post by kuni on Jul 28, 2009 23:18:44 GMT
Well, there's living fine vs. living well -- I personally prefer giving a fish a little more room than it needs. Foot-long fish need a good bit of room; certainly enough space to easily turn around, for instance.
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Post by Tyrannax on Jul 29, 2009 5:58:34 GMT
Well, there's living fine vs. living well -- I personally prefer giving a fish a little more room than it needs. Foot-long fish need a good bit of room; certainly enough space to easily turn around, for instance. I agree. I do not ever abide my the minimal requirements for fish. I kept him in a 200 Gallon tank before he died of old age and we sold the aquarium.
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Jul 29, 2009 14:18:24 GMT
Should have put your bearded dragons or your leopard geckos in there....
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Post by crypto1 on Jul 29, 2009 15:02:09 GMT
Where are people obtaining the smaller replica of the coelacanth?
Thank you, Loren
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Post by kuni on Jul 29, 2009 16:44:28 GMT
There are 2.
1.5 inch - Kaiyodo Deep Sea Odyssey 3-4 inch - Colorata Fossil Fish
There's also two lobefins in the Dinotales line, Eusthenopteron and Axelrodichthys.
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Post by sbell on Jul 29, 2009 17:00:30 GMT
There are 2. 1.5 inch - Kaiyodo Deep Sea Odyssey 3-4 inch - Colorata Fossil Fish There's also two lobefins in the Dinotales line, Eusthenopteron and Axelrodichthys. There is also a coelacanth being attacked by an Plesiosaurus in a 4D puzzle from Famemaster. And the Axelrodicthys looks very much like a modern Latimeria. The Series 1 version 2 repaint is better for that reason; the paint colours are substantially different (instead of blues & green, it is gold & brown).
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Post by crypto1 on Jul 29, 2009 18:17:04 GMT
Thank you, kuni and sbell. Any recommendations for dealers with these, if that's okay to ask that?
BTW, this comment, "the paint colours are substantially different (instead of blues & green, it is gold & brown)," is interesting, as the modern African species of coelacanth are blue/green, and the newer find, the Indonesian species, is more brownish with gold specks.
All dead coelacanths appear to turn brown when dead.
Thanks Loren
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Post by kuni on Jul 29, 2009 18:32:53 GMT
Ebay is usually your best bet for the Deep Sea Odyssey and Dinotales fishes, though for the Colorata Fossil Fish set you'll need a contact in Japan (PM sbell and he can likely help you with that). Here's a link to the Colorata set: www.colorata.com/onlineshop/shopping/figbox/06_es-ff.htmThe coelacanth isn't the only neat fish in there
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Post by Tyrannax on Jul 29, 2009 19:58:42 GMT
Should have put your bearded dragons or your leopard geckos in there.... We built an 800 dollar cage that can house up to 4 large species of lizards at once. Each individual area is about 100 gallons. The 200 Gallon took up too much space, and was not needed unfortunately.
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Post by sbell on Jul 29, 2009 20:03:14 GMT
Thank you, kuni and sbell. Any recommendations for dealers with these, if that's okay to ask that? BTW, this comment, "the paint colours are substantially different (instead of blues & green, it is gold & brown)," is interesting, as the modern African species of coelacanth are blue/green, and the newer find, the Indonesian species, is more brownish with gold specks. All dead coelacanths appear to turn brown when dead. Thanks Loren I sent you a PM. The contact info will be there.
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Post by kuni on Jul 29, 2009 20:05:57 GMT
Wow, that's pretty serious herpkeeping....always good to give them lots of room!
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Post by Tyrannax on Jul 29, 2009 20:21:34 GMT
Wow, that's pretty serious herpkeeping....always good to give them lots of room! Yes, we built each shelf with the ability to be removed. That means we can easily house a larger lizard which requires more space in a 400 gallon tank simply by removing the shelves. There is nothing like caring for reptiles, amphibians, and fish.
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Jul 29, 2009 21:48:24 GMT
Or at least reptiles and amphibians
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Post by Tyrannax on Jul 30, 2009 5:12:29 GMT
Or at least reptiles and amphibians But you yourself keep fish. Are you saying you don't like keeping them?
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Jul 30, 2009 14:18:30 GMT
Or at least reptiles and amphibians But you yourself keep fish. Are you saying you don't like keeping them? Yes
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Post by Tyrannax on Jul 31, 2009 6:16:24 GMT
But you yourself keep fish. Are you saying you don't like keeping them? Yes That's too bad.
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Jul 31, 2009 16:00:49 GMT
Well, they are kinda "cold" and don't have personalities. They are just there. I like them and think they are interesting, but reptiles and amphibians are by far my favorite.
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