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Post by tomhet on Jun 13, 2008 1:51:07 GMT
^^^  That kind of thing is truly scary. |
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Post by stoneage on Jun 13, 2008 1:52:20 GMT
Wow! Did you actually pay to get in? These people seem a little dangerous to me. There are some real nuts in the world.
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Post by sbell on Jun 13, 2008 16:08:51 GMT
On a related note: there is a site, skeptoid.com where a skeptical fellow named Brian Dunning discusses various elements of popular culture that require closer examination. Anyway, he did a topic on YEC (it's called "An Evolution Primer for Creationists" in the archives there) and this week he is giving some of his reader comments, including one well thought out list of YEC facts: Fact: Carbon dating cannot be proven to provide the proper age of a rock. Fact: Anybody can make a fossil with water and a microwave (Hello sun?) Fact: Fence posts have been dug up that are petrified in a few years. Fact: Babies are sqeezed [sic] throught [sic] the birth canal of all animals to expel the embryonic fluid from the lungs. You did go to high school right? Fact: You saw with your own 2 eyes that we "evolved" from a rock millions of years ago? I copied those directly (as did he); any spelling, grammtical, or logical issues are not my own. It is frightening that people who say things like this can function--what exactly do they think their microwave is doing? I've never accidentally created a fossil in mine. I've also never heard of anyone radiocarbon dating a rock (what with rocks not absorbing C14 over the course of their lifetimes). The same guy has also created an interesting video at herebedragons.com about the need for critical thinking. |
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Post by dinoboy on Jul 17, 2008 20:45:32 GMT
Uh. Um. Folks. We collect toys. Toys that are based on an artist's conception. Lots of artists. Lots of conceptions. Look at the T-Rex as it changed from the SRG model in 1947 to the Marx sleek T-Rex and the Papo JP T-Rex to name a few. Now that's evolution!!
Our ideas change as time flits by. What colors were Dinosaurs? I don't even care. It makes not an ounce of difference. We collect toys. If we like the way they look we buy 'em, if we don't we won't. The spiky new Papo Allosaur is a good example. I have never really seen such a spiky example of an Allosaur before, but I like the look. I'll buy it. You may not.
Religious questions about God vs evolution are unlikely to get solved on this forum.
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Post by richard on Jul 17, 2008 21:52:35 GMT
When I buy a toy I buy it because I like it. I don't care if it is accurate, I just buy it because I like it... this is my motto for entertainment things but if I'm watching a documentary then I demand accurancy, if I go to a museum and I see a replica of any dinosaurs I want it to be according to science... that's all I'm asking but a dinosaur toy has some colours that I don't like I don't like it no matter how perfect it is according to science... you know what I mean right?
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jul 17, 2008 22:40:36 GMT
Interesting thread - i missed this one because I was on me hols. glad It was resurrected.
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Post by sbell on Jul 18, 2008 0:19:41 GMT
Interesting thread - i missed this one because I was on me hols. glad It was resurrected. Yeah, I got frustrated elsewhere and decided to put it in it's own thread. It kind of fizzled once we all found common ground. It mostly started after a couple statements that I perceived as displaying an anti-science sentiment, so I called it into the open to clear the air. |
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Post by dinoboy on Jul 18, 2008 23:55:59 GMT
Actually I go along with Richard on this. I don't care how accurate a figure is by even contemporary standards. I remember when I first began collecting the taxonomy (is that the right word?) of many of these dinosaurs was quite different from that we accept today. I understand the the big T-Rex in the AMNH is no longer upright but more horizontal. I am entranced by the way a dinosaur figure looks, not necessarily how accurate it may be. I love, for instance, the look of the new Papo Allosaur even though I have never seen other examples with those spikes. Accuracy seems to change like fashion.
As for colors. For all we know they wore polka dot spandex. We'll never know what colors they were. I kind of like those gray/green/brown looking Albertosaurs with red heads. Artistic license and all that. If you've got the license go for it..... And I can always repaint the figure if I don't like the colors. I've got a license....
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Post by bjeast on Jul 24, 2008 5:29:47 GMT
Not sure, if anyone is still reading this, but I want to go on record (like I have elsewhere) that I'm both religious and have a scientific bent. It goes without saying that "science", or more precisely, the results of those who do the science, aren't always perfect. No kidding. And big deal. Scientists aren't perfect. But I like what they do (most of the time). I do question the ethics (or lack thereof) of some scientists, but that's another issue.
And religion? Absolutely not going to try to convince anyone here that you should believe. I'm merely pointing that from where I sit, faith and science aren't incompatible. My kids simply take for granted that faith and science go hand in hand. My ten-year old would be stunned to know there are Christians that think the earth is only eight thousand years old. She takes for granted that life evolved more or less as all the "history of life on earth" type books we get here portray it. I think creation science types are utterly and completely ignorant of both how science works, and of their sacred texts (and since I have a Ph.D. in religious studies I can speak at least with a little authority on this).
Here's a key point - if you have a fundamental disagreement with someone in terms of your epistemology, you're going to be hard-pressed to convince them of your point of view. Good luck with that.
P.S. I'm really tired tonight. Sorry if I sound a bit harsh. I really enjoy reading this board, even if I don't post that much! :-)
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Post by dinoboy on Jul 26, 2008 12:16:13 GMT
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Post by giganotoigauana on Jul 26, 2008 14:28:54 GMT
lol no this is in santee california. It had no models |
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Post by stoneage on Jul 26, 2008 19:59:24 GMT
Well they paint a pretty picture but there brush is full of s--t!
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jul 26, 2008 20:15:11 GMT
Well they paint a pretty picture but there brush is full of s--t! ;D |
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That kind of thing is truly scary.
