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Post by dinoguy2 on May 31, 2011 13:01:35 GMT
Wow, I didn't know Ornithocheirus was that far down the "totem pole" for size! There are Pteranodons that are larger? Hmm. Well, learn something new every day! Then again, I'm definitely not that current on my flying reptile info.  Yeah, Ornithocheirus was never thought to be particularly large. It's giant size was completely made up by WWD which essentially flat-out lied to a whole generation of paleo fans with no reason to suspect they were being duped. Same for Liopleurodon. Actually I have to wonder if there's a bit of British bias there on the part of the BBC. Wildly inflating the sizes of British species to match or exceed their much bigger relatives from other countries. |
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Post by arioch on May 31, 2011 13:39:59 GMT
Not to mention the gigantic "Raptor" that supposedly lived in Early cretaceous England.
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Post by Horridus on May 31, 2011 16:37:37 GMT
Not to mention the gigantic "Raptor" that supposedly lived in Early cretaceous England. Was it Britain, or Belgium? Wasn't it shown living alongside Iguanodon bernissartensis (rather than Mantellisaurus or what have you)? |
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Post by dinoguy2 on May 31, 2011 16:56:45 GMT
Not to mention the gigantic "Raptor" that supposedly lived in Early cretaceous England. Was it Britain, or Belgium? Wasn't it shown living alongside Iguanodon bernissartensis (rather than Mantellisaurus or what have you)? IIRC it only called them Iguanodon species, and differentiated them from the North American species of Iguanodon (now Dakotadon). I don't remember any mention of bernissartensis vs. anglicus vs. artherfieldensis (which wasn't split from Iguanodon until 8 years after WWD) or whatever other British iguanodonts are currently recognized. I also recall a Hylaeosaurus or some similar polocanthid hanging around in that episode, another quintessentially British dino. I'm surprised there was no Megalosaurus, but I guess that would be too anachronistic for even WWD  Not that a Utahraptor would be any more our of place in Belgium than England either way... |
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Post by arioch on May 31, 2011 17:22:25 GMT
It was Britain, more concretely an island called Cornubia (modern Cornwall?). Just checked the synopsis of that episode.
Now playing as the devil advocate, I think they didn´t called them directly Utahraptor but just "raptor" (refering to some hipothetical big dromaeosaur analogue to the comtemporary american one, given that the hervibore fauna was similar in both sides of the ocean, why not the predators too? ) , and hey, the tails were completely stiff... lol.
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Post by Horridus on Jun 1, 2011 10:41:00 GMT
IIRC it only called them Iguanodon species, and differentiated them from the North American species of Iguanodon (now Dakotadon). I don't remember any mention of bernissartensis vs. anglicus vs. artherfieldensis (which wasn't split from Iguanodon until 8 years after WWD) or whatever other British iguanodonts are currently recognized. I also recall a Hylaeosaurus or some similar polocanthid hanging around in that episode, another quintessentially British dino. I'm surprised there was no Megalosaurus, but I guess that would be too anachronistic for even WWD True, true...well, my memory's a little hazy. ;D I do remember that they said the European species was "bigger" than the American one (Dakotadon), which to me suggested Iguanodon bernissartensis. But if Arioch's right, it was definitely meant to be the UK. And it definitely was Utahraptor. (What on Earth was it doing there?) |
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Post by arioch on Jun 1, 2011 11:40:01 GMT
True, true...well, my memory's a little hazy. ;D I do remember that they said the European species was "bigger" than the American one (Dakotadon), which to me suggested Iguanodon bernissartensis. But if Arioch's right, it was definitely meant to be the UK. And it definitely was Utahraptor. (What on Earth was it doing there?) But there is this unnamed genus of Iguanodon from England described by Greg Paul, of similar complexion to I. bernissantensis. Definitely more robust than Dakotadon and Mantellisaurus. (Atleast I hope so, because my next sketch which I will deliver today contains one of those...) |
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Post by dinoguy2 on Jun 1, 2011 13:36:25 GMT
True, true...well, my memory's a little hazy. ;D I do remember that they said the European species was "bigger" than the American one (Dakotadon), which to me suggested Iguanodon bernissartensis. But if Arioch's right, it was definitely meant to be the UK. And it definitely was Utahraptor. (What on Earth was it doing there?) But there unnamed genus of Iguanodon of England described by Greg Paul, of similar complexion to I. bernissantensis. Definitely more robust than Dakotadon and Mantellisaurus. (Atleast I hope so, because my next sketch which I will deliver today contains one of those...) You may be thinking of the Maidstone specimen, which was infamously the basis for the hole 'horn on nose' thing. Probably will be assigned to a new genus eventually. It's a bit sad that by using I. bernissartensis instead of the Maidstone species, they essentially gave away *the* British dinosaur to a different country... It would be like a scientist from New Jersey designating a Canadian Albertosaurus specimen as the neotype for Dryptosaurus or something.... Either way, it's unfortuante. There is no possibility that I. bernissartensis is the same animal named by Mantell. It's not even from the same time period. I. bernissartensis should have been given a new genus name (Iguanatitan?), not the other way around. |
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Post by arioch on Jun 1, 2011 13:58:17 GMT
I´m not sure if its the Maidstone one. But in Britain we also have I. fittoni , which I believe was bigger and had longer arms than Mantellisaurus too. I can´t find any extensive description of this one so I don´t know much it resembles bernissartensis.
Anyway I believe they used the same exact model for the american and european Iguanodonts and just changed their colours. So they probably weren´t even thinking in any precise genus for each one. It was based in a very vague idea and the execution was even vaguest.
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Post by dinoguy2 on Jun 1, 2011 20:42:16 GMT
I´m not sure if its the Maidstone one. But in Britain we also have I. fittoni , which I believe was bigger and had longer arms than Mantellisaurus too. I can´t find any extensive description of this one so I don´t know much it resembles bernissartensis. Ah, ok. I. fittoni has recently been classified in the new genus Hypselospinus en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HypselospinusBarilium (formerly I. dawsoni, also from England) seems to be closer in size and build to I. bernissartensis. Very good point. |
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Post by eriorguez on Jun 1, 2011 21:17:01 GMT
Remember that Dromaeosaurus was a blue downscaled Utahraptor; and the dwarf Allosaurus used the Allosaurus model as well, IIRC.
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Post by arioch on Jun 1, 2011 21:43:23 GMT
Well, Dromaeosaurus could have been blue! ;D I´m not sure if its the Maidstone one. But in Britain we also have I. fittoni , which I believe was bigger and had longer arms than Mantellisaurus too. I can´t find any extensive description of this one so I don´t know much it resembles bernissartensis. Ah, ok. I. fittoni has recently been classified in the new genus Hypselospinus en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HypselospinusBarilium (formerly I. dawsoni, also from England) seems to be closer in size and build to I. bernissartensis. . Barilium , uh? I think I will be using that one then. Actually I´m not sure, which one coexisted with Neovenator? All this iguanodont reclassification really drives me crazy. Not even G. Paul tries to lump then together, and he does with another dinosaur species which are less alike at first glance. But I guess its ok. |
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Post by dinoguy2 on Jun 1, 2011 22:11:13 GMT
Well, Dromaeosaurus could have been blue! ;D Ah, ok. I. fittoni has recently been classified in the new genus Hypselospinus en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HypselospinusBarilium (formerly I. dawsoni, also from England) seems to be closer in size and build to I. bernissartensis. . Barilium , uh? I think I will be using that one then. Actually I´m not sure, which one coexisted with Neovenator? All this iguanodont reclassification really drives me crazy. Not even G. Paul tries to lump then together, and he does with another dinosaur species which are less alike at first glance. But I guess its ok. Neovenator is from the Wessex Formation, so it would have lived alongside both Dollodon and Mantellisaurus. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wessex_Formation#OrnithischiansBarilium lived about 15-20 million years earlier. EDIT: Whoops, that Wiki page was wrong. Mantellisaurus lived later. So only Dollodon seelyi or whatever genus you put it in lived alongside Neovenator. |
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Post by arioch on Jun 1, 2011 23:29:26 GMT
I was fearing that (checked wikipedia before too) and its problematic: I already did the Iguanodont quite robust and with a large thumb claw. Well, I can say the other one is, uh, a basal neovenatorid. Check my thread in the art forum for more info.
(Ok, just saw that you edited. Lol).
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Post by brontozaurus on Jun 4, 2011 3:20:29 GMT
Remember that Dromaeosaurus was a blue downscaled Utahraptor; and the dwarf Allosaurus used the Allosaurus model as well, IIRC. The Leallynasaura model got reused as a generic hysilophodont in the final episode, and possibly in some other episodes as well. |
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