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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Sept 26, 2008 23:36:57 GMT
Or is it five hundred?
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Post by stoneage on Sept 26, 2008 23:39:50 GMT
^ Trex could curl a 100 pound weight with one arm. ;D Which one? ;D
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Post by stoneage on Sept 26, 2008 23:41:42 GMT
;D Its been a while but I think someone said he could lift (Not curl) 700 lbs. I assume that means likea squat. ;D
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Post by Tyrannax on Sept 27, 2008 5:51:31 GMT
^ Trex could curl a 100 pound weight with one arm. ^ His arms probably had a part in the mating process..... Maybe your getting the 500 lbs confused with how much he bit (Not how much he could) in one bite. I am not objective just because I like T-Rex. No, I don't agree with many of Horner's theories, does that make me objective? If you said T-Rex could kill an Argentinosaurus in one bite I would say "Ummm.....that's highly unlikely" I'm not objective, I just feel very strongly about my beliefs from what I have read and talked about in person with paleontologists. I read A LOT about Tyrannosaurus, and just because you don't agree with my beliefs, that dosen't make me wrong.
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Post by stoneage on Sept 27, 2008 20:42:58 GMT
;D Actually I thought it was 500 lbs of food he needed to eat a day to survive, not one bite. This would be debateable. It has been suggested that T-Rex's arms were used for mating but we don't know for sure. T-Rex couldn't kill Argentinosaurus with one bite because they didn't exist at the same time, or place. You are right you can believe what ever you want. You don't like T-Rex you are in love with him. You are obcessed and infatuated with T-Rex. Sometimes love is blind! Jack Horner is a paleontologist and maybe your his equal. I guess my perceptionj of things is just different then yours. Sorry! Peace! ;D
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Post by kustom65 on Sept 28, 2008 0:27:55 GMT
T.rex didn't need his arms for anything.... they were vestigial, like the nubs of a killer bird's wings, the eyes of a blind salamander or the tiny hind legs sometimes found on whales.
If Rex hadn't been blown away by the asteroid, his descendants would have had nubs for arms, too.
His jaws, legs, talons and tail were enough to get him what he craved.
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Post by Tyrannax on Sept 28, 2008 1:45:44 GMT
;D Actually I thought it was 500 lbs of food he needed to eat a day to survive, not one bite. This would be debateable. It has been suggested that T-Rex's arms were used for mating but we don't know for sure. T-Rex couldn't kill Argentinosaurus with one bite because they didn't exist at the same time, or place. You are right you can believe what ever you want. You don't like T-Rex you are in love with him. You are obcessed and infatuated with T-Rex. Sometimes love is blind! Jack Horner is a paleontologist and maybe your his equal. I guess my perceptionj of things is just different then yours. Sorry! Peace! ;D No, Tyrannosaurus could pick up 500 lbs of flesh in one bite. On average though, he bit 200 lbs of flesh. I know Argentinosaurus wasn't around at the same place or same time, and I know you know what I meant!. lol What are you talking about? Your saying that just because I like T-Rex I'm going to deny any scientific evidence that bashes T-Rex as something I don't perceive him as? Uhhhm...No. Why are you even thinking that? Just because I believe he was a predator and that most of Horner's beliefs were wrong? I have nothing against you, I think your actually funny ;D , but, trust me, I'm not objective to scientific proof against T-Rex.
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Post by stoneage on Sept 28, 2008 12:10:22 GMT
;D Actually I thought it was 500 lbs of food he needed to eat a day to survive, not one bite. This would be debateable. It has been suggested that T-Rex's arms were used for mating but we don't know for sure. T-Rex couldn't kill Argentinosaurus with one bite because they didn't exist at the same time, or place. You are right you can believe what ever you want. You don't like T-Rex you are in love with him. You are obcessed and infatuated with T-Rex. Sometimes love is blind! Jack Horner is a paleontologist and maybe your his equal. I guess my perceptionj of things is just different then yours. Sorry! Peace! ;D No, Tyrannosaurus could pick up 500 lbs of flesh in one bite. On average though, he bit 200 lbs of flesh. I know Argentinosaurus wasn't around at the same place or same time, and I know you know what I meant!. lol What are you talking about? Your saying that just because I like T-Rex I'm going to deny any scientific evidence that bashes T-Rex as something I don't perceive him as? Uhhhm...No. Why are you even thinking that? Just because I believe he was a predator and that most of Horner's beliefs were wrong? I have nothing against you, I think your actually funny ;D , but, trust me, I'm not objective to scientific proof against T-Rex. ;D Tryrannax could you point me to where you got the T-Rex bite information. You said " I'm not objective to scientific proof." I agree. I agree with you about Jack Horner so quit acting like I support him. ;D
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Post by Tyrannax on Sept 28, 2008 15:36:13 GMT
No, Tyrannosaurus could pick up 500 lbs of flesh in one bite. On average though, he bit 200 lbs of flesh. I know Argentinosaurus wasn't around at the same place or same time, and I know you know what I meant!. lol What are you talking about? Your saying that just because I like T-Rex I'm going to deny any scientific evidence that bashes T-Rex as something I don't perceive him as? Uhhhm...No. Why are you even thinking that? Just because I believe he was a predator and that most of Horner's beliefs were wrong? I have nothing against you, I think your actually funny ;D , but, trust me, I'm not objective to scientific proof against T-Rex. ;D Tryrannax could you point me to where you got the T-Rex bite information. You said " I'm not objective to scientific proof." I agree. I agree with you about Jack Horner so quit acting like I support him. ;D Oh man, stoneage, I've known that T-Rex could bite 500 lbs of meat for years. I believe one time fairly recently I saw it on a T-Rex special by Natonal Geographic. I can't remember the show's name. Where did I say you believed Horner's theories? I know you don't follow Horner and his beliefs.
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Post by stoneage on Sept 28, 2008 22:22:55 GMT
;D Tryrannax could you point me to where you got the T-Rex bite information. You said " I'm not objective to scientific proof." I agree. I agree with you about Jack Horner so quit acting like I support him. ;D Oh man, stoneage, I've known that T-Rex could bite 500 lbs of meat for years. I believe one time fairly recently I saw it on a T-Rex special by Natonal Geographic. I can't remember the show's name. Where did I say you believed Horner's theories? I know you don't follow Horner and his beliefs. ;D OK Tyrannax I found the original source. It was Dr. Gregory M. Erickson a Comparative Evolutionary Biologist & Paleontologist with the Department of Biological Science at Florida State. You may have heard the 500 lb. bite of meat on the Discovery Channel Valley of T-rex. That's the one where Jack Horner said T-Rex was a scavenger. In fact several sites that used this number (many) said T-Rex is a scavenger. Some claimed he actually had a weak bite. However Dr. Erickson said T-Rex could bite with 1,440 pounds of force enough to crunch through even the armor plating of Triceratops. I had heard something about 500 pounds before but didn't remember it quite this way. Considering the source and even though I had to do all the work to get to the bottom of this I'm going to give you credit for it. You win this time Tyrannax but I'll be back. I'll be watching your every move. A Ha Ha Ha ;D Have a nice day.
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Post by Tyrannax on Sept 29, 2008 7:01:13 GMT
Oh man, stoneage, I've known that T-Rex could bite 500 lbs of meat for years. I believe one time fairly recently I saw it on a T-Rex special by Natonal Geographic. I can't remember the show's name. Where did I say you believed Horner's theories? I know you don't follow Horner and his beliefs. ;D OK Tyrannax I found the original source. It was Dr. Gregory M. Erickson a Comparative Evolutionary Biologist & Paleontologist with the Department of Biological Science at Florida State. You may have heard the 500 lb. bite of meat on the Discovery Channel Valley of T-rex. That's the one where Jack Horner said T-Rex was a scavenger. In fact several sites that used this number (many) said T-Rex is a scavenger. Some claimed he actually had a weak bite. However Dr. Erickson said T-Rex could bite with 1,440 pounds of force enough to crunch through even the armor plating of Triceratops. I had heard something about 500 pounds before but didn't remember it quite this way. Considering the source and even though I had to do all the work to get to the bottom of this I'm going to give you credit for it. You win this time Tyrannax but I'll be back. I'll be watching your every move. A Ha Ha Ha ;D Have a nice day. Rofl, I'll keep an out out for an ambush then. ;D.... .... ...... ........ ....... ....... ..... ...... !!!!! Tyrannosaurus, btw, had the strongest bite force in the animal kingdom. No animal came close to his neck and jaw muscles as far as strength. He had really no other main weapons...just his mouth and size. Other animals....Spinosaurus, giganotosaurus, Acrocanthosaurus, Allosaurus, etc had large forearms which could slash and tear at prey. They also were not as stocky as T-Rex, therefore could run quicker and, in Allosaurus' and possibly giganotsaurus' case, jump onto the back of sauropods or other large herbivores. T-Rex had small arms, and was extremely stocky. He relied on a massive bite to do his bidding. Have a nice day as well bronzeage ;D
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Post by stoneage on Sept 29, 2008 22:45:49 GMT
;D Actually Tyrannax, Vertebrate Paleontologist Thomas Holtz says T-Rex and its close relatives had a tightly interlocked metatarsus (footbone) that more effectively transmitted locomotory forces from the foot to the lower leg then in earlier theropods. He therefore concluded that Tyrannosaurids and there relatives, were the fastest large theropods. This means he actually was faster then any of the other large theropods you named. Thanks for putting me in the Bronzeage since it is more advanced then the stoneage. I don't believe any large theropod could jump. When they ran one foot was always on the ground. ;D
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Post by Tyrannax on Sept 30, 2008 7:03:08 GMT
;D Actually Tyrannax, Vertebrate Paleontologist Thomas Holtz says T-Rex and its close relatives had a tightly interlocked metatarsus (footbone) that more effectively transmitted locomotory forces from the foot to the lower leg then in earlier theropods. He therefore concluded that Tyrannosaurids and there relatives, were the fastest large theropods. This means he actually was faster then any of the other large theropods you named. Thanks for putting me in the Bronzeage since it is more advanced then the stoneage. I don't believe any large theropod could jump. When they ran one foot was always on the ground. ;D Remember, I didn't say Tyrannosaurus was slow. I said that he was slower than other less stocky animals. They may have been quick for their size, but probably not as fast as smaller more agile theropods. I may have exaggerated on the Spinosaurus and Gigantosaurus part, but Allosaurus was almost certainly as fast or faster than Tyrannosaurus. Actually the whole Allosaurid family is thought to have been quite agile for large theropods. This means Gigantosaurus may have been quick. You don't believe dinosaurs could jump? We have physical evidence of predatory claws high up on Camarosaurus ribs. So, most likely, some large theropods could jump at least a little bit.
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Post by thagomizer on Sept 30, 2008 12:02:08 GMT
We have physical evidence of predatory claws high up on Camarosaurus ribs. So, most likely, some large theropods could jump at least a little bit. Or maybe they were stepping on them...? Raking the meat off a camarasaur they already killed. I think it's biomechanically impossible for a biped the size of an allosaur to jump without shattering its leg bones.
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Post by Tyrannax on Sept 30, 2008 19:33:40 GMT
We have physical evidence of predatory claws high up on Camarosaurus ribs. So, most likely, some large theropods could jump at least a little bit. Or maybe they were stepping on them...? Raking the meat off a camarasaur they already killed. I think it's biomechanically impossible for a biped the size of an allosaur to jump without shattering its leg bones. A good idea, but unfortunately some of the scars were healed. An Allosaurus had large leg bones, this allowed them to support its weight easily. Also, walking on their toes made landing softer. To put it in other words, walking on his toes acted like springs in a car.
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Post by stoneage on Sept 30, 2008 21:50:46 GMT
I'd like to know where you got the information about the Camarosaurus claw marks. I hope it wasn't one of those Jurassic Fight Club Sites. Also all dinosaurs walked on their toes so this gave Allosaurus no advantage over other dinosaurs. ;D
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Post by Tyrannax on Oct 1, 2008 0:12:51 GMT
I'd like to know where you got the information about the Camarosaurus claw marks. I hope it wasn't one of those Jurassic Fight Club Sites. Also all dinosaurs walked on their toes so this gave Allosaurus no advantage over other dinosaurs. ;D No lo not the JPFC website. Actually one of my books I have. (Not outdated) And I didn't say it gave him an advantage over other animals. I'm simply saying that his ankle joint cushioned his fall, and being light, he could probably jump without hurting himself. Remember, Allosaurus was only about 3-4 tons, a fairly small large theropod. Now Tyrannosaurus, being 7 tons, probably couldn't jump so well. Besides, why would he need to? All the herbivores he ate were shorter than himself. Allosaurus, however, lived in a land of giants. This would come in handy for him.
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Post by stoneage on Oct 1, 2008 2:55:14 GMT
;D What is the name of your book and who is the author? The weights of Allosaurus and Tyrannosaurus vary according to different paleontologist. If you can find something scientific that says Allosaurus could jump I'd like to see it or know where I can find it. ;D
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Post by Tyrannax on Oct 1, 2008 18:55:24 GMT
It dosen't say Allosaurus could jump. It states that it is a strong theory. And the book doesn't have an Author. It's a massive Dinosauria Reference book.
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Post by stoneage on Oct 1, 2008 20:01:47 GMT
I doesn't say Allosaurus could jump. It states that it is a strong theory. And the book doesn't have an Author. It's a massive Dinosauria Reference book. Well what about the allosaur claw marks on the Camarasaurus rib section? I can't find anything supporting an allosaurus jumping or that there were claw marks on Camarasaurus rib cage, on the net. I'm wondering how good a reference that book is. I do know an Elephant can't jump. I still don't think Allosaurus can jump. I do see where some think Allosaurus could run faster then T-Rex. However young Allosaurs may have been able to jump and just outgrow it as they become bigger. ;D
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