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Post by Griffin on Apr 18, 2011 17:49:09 GMT
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Post by Horridus on Apr 18, 2011 17:50:49 GMT
Again I'd point to the Desktop Triceratops! It has very pronounced hips and excellently rendered musculature, as well as a roomy gut.
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Post by arioch on Apr 18, 2011 18:12:27 GMT
I think I can rectify that without completely ruin the drawing. Just got to add a load of quills to hide the old lines...lol
Thanks for the advice!
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Post by arioch on Apr 18, 2011 19:46:26 GMT
First correction and some work on the scales. Hope I got it right...I´ve done my best with my crappy pen!   Uploaded with ImageShack.us |
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Post by arioch on Apr 19, 2011 9:42:50 GMT
Tarbosaurus chasing Saurolophus (details are poor, just need some feedback before going on):  Uploaded with ImageShack.usAnd YES he has feathers! ;D |
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Post by Horridus on Apr 19, 2011 15:29:23 GMT
Wow, that Tarbosaurus is quite something.
Regarding the centrosaur: it looks like you've give it five toes. It should only have four. You've done a really good job of 'fixing' it otherwise, though. Also, no claws on Saurolophus' hands. Hadrosaur fingers were actually just united in a fleshy 'mitten' with no claws or nails, but maybe hardened skin. Easy mistake to make (see the new Safari Edmontosaurus).
By the way...I do feel bad about being so nitpicky! But I wouldn't be if I didn't really like your drawings.
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Post by Griffin on Apr 19, 2011 16:07:39 GMT
Is it safe to assume big tyrannosaurs had birdlike feathers like that? Or is it more realistic to depict them with more primitive style feathers? I feel the latter but I could be wrong.
About the duckbill. It seems sorta awkward in that pose. I don't know if they really could have squatted down like you have it here. From what I know duckbills particularly seem to have been pretty stiff with regards to their bodies. All those ossified tendons running down the spine...
Style wise its still really cool. Nice job!
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Post by arioch on Apr 19, 2011 16:33:33 GMT
Wow, that Tarbosaurus is quite something. Regarding the centrosaur: it looks like you've give it five toes. It should only have four. You've done a really good job of 'fixing' it otherwise, though. You mean only 4 big hoof-like toes which touch the ground when walking and an atrophied 5th finger, right? or just 4 visible finger-toes? Also, no claws on Saurolophus' hands. Hadrosaur fingers were actually just united in a fleshy 'mitten' with no claws or nails, but maybe hardened skin. Easy mistake to make (see the new Safari Edmontosaurus). Just so you know I was about to NOT drawing the claws! I remembered you told me before about it and then checked hadrosaurs illustrations to confirm it, but none of them have the hands drawed like you said. So I thought you slipped up and then proceeded to give them nails anyway!  Sorry. But why is so rare to see it done right, anyway? it is still a very recent discovery? It isn´t fully accepted yet by the paleo community? By the way...I do feel bad about being so nitpicky! But I wouldn't be if I didn't really like your drawings. Don´t be sorry ! I appreciate criticism more than just a "Oh its cool bro, bye". Its the best way to improve.  And honestly I was expecting something worst (not from you), like threatenings and insults for that feathered Tarbo! lol (I still do) ;D |
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Post by Horridus on Apr 19, 2011 16:33:26 GMT
I think Griffin's right. The leg probably shouldn't be jutting out of the body like that. I have a feeling that in reality it just wouldn't articulate that way.
As for the tyrannosaur, I wasn't sure how exactly you were intending to draw them (obviously it's not finished). But they should only be simple 'protofeathers'.
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Post by Horridus on Apr 19, 2011 16:37:40 GMT
Well, I've replied again!
Regarding the feet on the centrosaur: I meant the back feet. They should only have 3 toes touching the ground, with an additional reduced toe. Basically, they have five digits on the manus and four on the pes.
Regarding what you said about hadrosaur nails - most people just get it wrong because they're following artistic convention. If you look at the most up-to-date work though, for example in Greg Paul's Field Guide, you will notice that none of the hadrosaurs have nails on their hands. This is known from hadrosaur mummies.
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Post by arioch on Apr 19, 2011 17:06:01 GMT
Is it safe to assume big tyrannosaurs had birdlike feathers like that? Or is it more realistic to depict them with more primitive style feathers? I feel the latter but I could be wrong. About the duckbill. It seems sorta awkward in that pose. I don't know if they really could have squatted down like you have it here. From what I know duckbills particularly seem to have been pretty stiff with regards to their bodies. All those ossified tendons running down the spine... Style wise its still really cool. Nice job! Thanks!! Most asian theropods and specially those who lived in the mongolian desert seem to have some sort of covering...So I asked myself why this should be different in Tyrannosaurids? I know , they´re so big they wouldn´t need them for the heat function. But after all their ancestors (Guan Long and relatives) had feathers. And very big animals like Gigantoraptor had feathers too (or it was proto feathers?) And after all, Tyrannosaurids are giant coelurosaurians, closer to oviraptor or gigantoraptor than carnosaurs, right? I´m not convinced that they ACTUALLY had feathers, but I do think they had something apart from the scales. Maybe quills, maybe protofeathers... In a nutshell I just wanted to see people reaction to that feathered (with modern feathers) Tarbo. About the duckbill, I´m aware it looks awkward. I regret I drew the leg like that. My intention was depicting him in a half squat: he is crouching, drinking from a lake and the theropod suddenly came out of nowhere. He is about to jump and start running (too late) ;D The angle was problematic though. I have little experience doing front shots. Need some practicing before I try again. Horridus, do you have any link or picture of that mummified Hadros?  |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Apr 19, 2011 18:18:31 GMT
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Post by Himmapaan on Apr 19, 2011 19:56:05 GMT
BTW..I was wondering..what is the correct orientation for hadrosaur hands ? same as all other dinosaurs ? That tiny finger kind of throws me off since it looks like a thumb..lol Think of them more like pinkies, since they were outermost on the hands. ;D |
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Post by arioch on Apr 19, 2011 19:57:45 GMT
I guess they had the same orientation since they were mainly quadrupedal animals...except when they where fleeing a predator.
But I wonde what happened with that theory about Hadrosaur necks resembling the horse ones...
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Post by Griffin on Apr 19, 2011 20:14:07 GMT
"Most asian theropods and specially those who lived in the mongolian desert seem to have some sort of covering...So I asked myself why this should be different in Tyrannosaurids? I know , they´re so big they wouldn´t need them for the heat function. But after all their ancestors (Guan Long and relatives) had feathers. And very big animals like Gigantoraptor had feathers too (or it was proto feathers?) And after all, Tyrannosaurids are giant coelurosaurians, closer to oviraptor or gigantoraptor than carnosaurs, right? " I didn't mean it like it shouldn't have feathers period. You put feathers on it as if it were a bird or dromaeosaur. I think it would be more realistic if it had more primitive protofeathers like seen on dinosaurs like sinosauropteryx. It would appear more like hair than anything else from afar. "But I wonde what happened with that theory about Hadrosaur necks resembling the horse ones..." If you are referring to that crazy thick neck greg paul puts on his hadrosaurs...its probably not true. He seems to have gotten that from the partially mummified corythosaurus in the American Museum of Natural History in NYC. It shows what can be perceived as an outline of the animal's body that pretty much cuts straight from the back of the head to the back. Problem is this "outline" is in other random places that are not around the dinosaur as well. |
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Post by Horridus on Apr 19, 2011 20:16:27 GMT
While Greg Paul may occasionally make his necks too thick (Corythosaurus) the 'horse neck' is more accurate than the old 'swan neck'. Like this:  |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Apr 19, 2011 20:29:37 GMT
I guess they had the same orientation since they were mainly quadrupedal animals...except when they where fleeing a predator. But I wonde what happened with that theory about Hadrosaur necks resembling the horse ones... So your saying the " pinkie " would point backwards instead of off to the side ? I have to add some to a sculpt I'm doing which is why I'm so curious. |
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Post by arioch on Apr 19, 2011 21:15:52 GMT
Finished. Sorta.  Uploaded with ImageShack.usI´m not satisfied at all with this one. The d**n thing looks like that yellow freak from Sesame Street , and the saurolophus is just meh. I´ll put more effort in the next. "Most asian theropods and specially those who lived in the mongolian desert seem to have some sort of covering...So I asked myself why this should be different in Tyrannosaurids? I know , they´re so big they wouldn´t need them for the heat function. But after all their ancestors (Guan Long and relatives) had feathers. And very big animals like Gigantoraptor had feathers too (or it was proto feathers?) And after all, Tyrannosaurids are giant coelurosaurians, closer to oviraptor or gigantoraptor than carnosaurs, right? " I didn't mean it like it shouldn't have feathers period. You put feathers on it as if it were a bird or dromaeosaur. I think it would be more realistic if it had more primitive protofeathers like seen on dinosaurs like sinosauropteryx. It would appear more like hair than anything else from afar. "But I wonde what happened with that theory about Hadrosaur necks resembling the horse ones..." If you are referring to that crazy thick neck greg paul puts on his hadrosaurs...its probably not true. He seems to have gotten that from the partially mummified corythosaurus in the American Museum of Natural History in NYC. It shows what can be perceived as an outline of the animal's body that pretty much cuts straight from the back of the head to the back. Problem is this "outline" is in other random places that are not around the dinosaur as well. Well, the whole thing was experimental. I also believe they should had hair-like feathers more that something else, but I also think that this kind of speculations are funny. So, seems like there is no consensus yet about hadrosaur necks? I guess they had the same orientation since they were mainly quadrupedal animals...except when they where fleeing a predator. But I wonde what happened with that theory about Hadrosaur necks resembling the horse ones... So your saying the " pinkie " would point backwards instead of off to the side ? I have to add some to a sculpt I'm doing which is why I'm so curious. I´m almost sure it should point a bit backwards, but I think Horridus should know better... |
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Post by Griffin on Apr 19, 2011 21:37:06 GMT
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Post by Himmapaan on Apr 19, 2011 21:39:55 GMT
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Sorry.
