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Post by Dinotoyforum on Oct 9, 2008 16:22:32 GMT
So how is Rhomaleosaurus any different than another pliosaur? I'll take this rhetorical question literally ;D - in terms of its appearance in toy form, it has a longer neck than other pliosaurs. And everyone knows, long necks are cool. Especially when combined with a huge, bone-crunching skull
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Post by sbell on Oct 9, 2008 16:37:33 GMT
Yes, I meant Rise of Fishes. I was working off the top of my head.
And hey, might as well add Gaining Ground to really get in those amphibians.
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Post by sbell on Oct 9, 2008 16:47:50 GMT
So how is Rhomaleosaurus any different than another pliosaur? I'll take this rhetorical question literally ;D - in terms of its appearance in toy form, it has a longer neck than other pliosaurs. And everyone knows, long necks are cool. Especially when combined with a huge, bone-crunching skull I have solved it--why not do both!?
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Oct 9, 2008 16:52:03 GMT
I'll take this rhetorical question literally ;D - in terms of its appearance in toy form, it has a longer neck than other pliosaurs. And everyone knows, long necks are cool. Especially when combined with a huge, bone-crunching skull I have solved it--why not do both!? two thumbs up!
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Post by kustom65 on Oct 10, 2008 1:06:16 GMT
I thought I would try and sell Rhomaleosaurus with a picture from a paper that came out this month...Smith and Dyke (2008): I hope you agree that it would make an excellent figure - and it would be totally unique ...and here is a sculpture I initiated myself...never finished it though... Lookin' good! Nice sculpt there too, what material is that?
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Post by kustom65 on Oct 10, 2008 1:13:29 GMT
There's no reason why EVERYTHING can't be done eventually ... well, given steady sales of course.
A comprehensive fish series would work, after all there's at least one institution around here would would love to stock them.
So ... what's the best way to present/display fish items? How about a base, which can be added to, with each fish supported on a thin wire/stick? Or an aquarium set that can be filled with water, scenery and lighting effects....?? And what scale (geddit?) should they be? Bigger than than dinos, right?
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Post by therizinosaurus on Oct 10, 2008 1:31:04 GMT
I would say make them like dinotales marine reptiles, which are attached to a base with a thin clear plastic stick. I'm not sure about scale, but please make them all the same!
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Post by stoneage on Oct 10, 2008 1:48:18 GMT
I think glass and water might be a bit much and could drive up cost. I think a background for the period, like Devonian that the fish could be fixed to, would be nice. You also could do series like Jawless Fish which are pretty much all under a foot and could be done to scale depending on how big you would want them. The same would be true of the Cartilaginous Fishes,Placoderms, Osteichthyes,Teleostei etc. The scale for each depending on what would work for that particular group. You also could include Non Fish like Sea Scorpians, Echinoderms,Mollusc,Trilobites, Etc., that would fit in these sub-groups, as far as time periods. I suppose there are a lot of ways to go depending on how you want to break it down, and what is cost effective.
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Post by kustom65 on Oct 10, 2008 1:59:57 GMT
Nice ideas there stoneage ... makes me wonder: what about a series of diorama bases for everything else too? for example, a Cretaceous Patagonia base for Giganotosaurus vs Argentinosaurus while Amargasaurus gets chased by Carnotaurus?
As I've said, this is still in the formative stages, so now is the time to consider all questions of presentation and packaging.
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Post by tomhet on Oct 10, 2008 3:28:18 GMT
There's no reason why EVERYTHING can't be done eventually ... well, given steady sales of course. A comprehensive fish series would work, after all there's at least one institution around here would would love to stock them. So ... what's the best way to present/display fish items? How about a base, which can be added to, with each fish supported on a thin wire/stick? Or an aquarium set that can be filled with water, scenery and lighting effects....?? And what scale (geddit?) should they be? Bigger than than dinos, right? The scale of the fishes should be variable. Some cephalaspids like the Hemicyclaspis were 13 cm long while some of the Arthrodira (like the Dunkie) were 8 mts long. Maybe it's just me but I would love to see medium-sized fishes, like the Safari Dunkleosteus. I also think that the thin stick a la Kaiyodo would work. The amphibians are worth a shot too, you should check out some of the strangest
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Post by therizinosaurus on Oct 10, 2008 3:32:18 GMT
If they are different scales, could you please list the scale intended?
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Post by sbell on Oct 10, 2008 5:13:22 GMT
For the record, I did once mention printing the scale on each figure (hearkening back to the Marx.Invicta days!).
As for bases for swimming and flying creatures--Colorata (a Japanese company) does something like that. Each box coe swith a runner of acrylic pins--you pull them off, cut them to length, and stick them in the provided bases. For the marine fishes set I have, that means some have rock work, and some (the pelagic ones) have basic greenish-blue bases.
As an aside, you get far more pegs than you can use, so I was able to properly mount my Tedco marine and pterosaur sets!
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Post by kustom65 on Oct 10, 2008 6:42:42 GMT
That Colorata deal sounds neat .... I can't find anything on them, do you have a link?
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Oct 10, 2008 10:55:18 GMT
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Post by sbell on Oct 10, 2008 14:04:24 GMT
That Colorata deal sounds neat .... I can't find anything on them, do you have a link? Here i sthe thing--you can try colorata.com but it doesn't work everywhere (I can't get at it from anywhere in Saskatchewan, and a friend couldn't get at it from Ottawa, yet I can get at it from Calgary). Somewhere around here I started a thread showing some pictures of their new dinosaurs. Here: dinotoyforum.proboards100.com/index.cgi?board=toys&action=display&thread=196And now that I think about it, you could do worse than emulate their model--they make sets of 6-12 figures, close in scale to each other, of a wide range of animals (say, endangered reptiles or 'fossil' fish). The sets are not in scale to each other. And they are incredibly well made. This means that some--like my Arapaima, sailfish and Nile Crocodile figures, are a fair size. But still reasonable (<6"). This does mean that some figures wind up being quite small (the salthingyer fishes one has some pretty small fish) but they aren't so bad either. Here are some pics from my old collection room--there are other figures in there, to give an idea of size. There are also pictures in there of Tedco figures that have been mounted. Colorata sharks with Tedco pterosaurs: Colorata fossil fish and sea turtles (below a bully Allo and Great dinos Theri).
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Post by kustom65 on Oct 10, 2008 14:34:18 GMT
Thanks again sbell... I was able to access the site, and I must collect them ALL! That IS pretty much what we want to do, but generally at a larger scale. But how can the Colorata items be obtained outside of Japan? There's nothing currently on fleaBay, do they ever turn up on there?
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Post by sbell on Oct 10, 2008 14:55:34 GMT
Thanks again sbell... I was able to access the site, and I must collect them ALL! That IS pretty much what we want to do, but generally at a larger scale. But how can the Colorata items be obtained outside of Japan? There's nothing currently on fleaBay, do they ever turn up on there? In a word, no--I contacted them once, and there wares are meant for Japanese Aquariums, Zoos and museums. I have a friend from Japan that is going to try to help me out though. As for scale--these are pretty close to what you'd expect for 1/80 dinos (I believe their new mosasaur is fairly large). About hte size of the Battat minis, give or take a bit. But their overall scheme might certainly work for you.
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Post by tomhet on Oct 10, 2008 15:27:22 GMT
*wants desperately a Colorata Mosasaurus*
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Post by sbell on Oct 10, 2008 15:53:33 GMT
It has just occurred to me--the "lunch box" model of Colorata sets may work for your idea of diorama sets--just need to create something that folds out (thinking Mighty Max here, or if you'd rather, Polly Pocket) but can close to sell/store the figures as well.
That seems to be the limiting factor with Colorata--all figures must fit the 8" or so box. But the sailfish and whale sharks, for example, are still pretty big.
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Post by bolesey on Oct 10, 2008 20:19:03 GMT
This is tricky... I'm very much leaning towards the 1/80 (Battat miniature) scale, just to keep the collection to a manageable size. Because We are wanting this to be open-ended, and to create as many figures as we can if the first batch proves viable in sales. I do share everyone's concerns about a small scale resulting in ridiculously tiny raptors, therapsids, et al. I really think those guys will have to be of a larger scale, in a subset. Now that I think of it, 1/80th is actually a pretty nice scale. I just figured out that Safari's Sue T.rex collection are pretty close to that scale... and I really like those figures. You probably couldn't do anything much shorter than 4m before the figures would get too small, but that still leaves a lot of stuff.
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