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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jan 27, 2008 14:21:48 GMT
I created the Dinosaur Toy Blog in Summer 2007, and this forum...yesterday.
I'm a dinosaur toy enthusiast, but also a palaeontologist too. Which means I get especially cranky when new dinosaur toys don't follow the science...and surprised when people detest feathered dinosaur toys.
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Post by piltdown on Jan 27, 2008 21:46:28 GMT
Which means I get especially ... surprised when people detest feathered dinosaur toys.  "Who called me feathered?"  ;D |
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jan 27, 2008 22:49:17 GMT
Pffff How many fossil feathered dinosaurs would it take to convince you? |
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Post by piltdown on Jan 27, 2008 23:15:11 GMT
A find of even one unequivocally feathered dinosaur NOT from Liaoning or any other Communist dictatorship would be enough ;D
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jan 27, 2008 23:19:02 GMT
A find of even one unequivocally feathered dinosaur NOT from Liaoning or any other Communist dictatorship would be enough ;D Excellent! Let the count down begin... (no, wait, does Archaeopteryx count?) ;D |
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Post by piltdown on Jan 27, 2008 23:23:58 GMT
Archaeopteryx is a bird, so that doesn't count ;D
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Post by tomhet on Jan 29, 2008 3:47:45 GMT
*declares war on all feathered dinosaurs*
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jan 29, 2008 9:51:13 GMT
Archaeopteryx is a bird, so that doesn't count ;D Ah, the moving goalposts logical fallicy ;D |
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Post by piltdown on Jan 29, 2008 9:55:37 GMT
It's not a fallacy--archaeopteryx is a primitive bird. In fact, it's the other way around--the dino-bird people are desperately trying to make archie a dinosaur, which is not working ;D
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jan 29, 2008 11:00:50 GMT
Don't make me put a feathered Velociraptor in the forum logo  I'm mentioning the potential for a moving goalpost fallacy, in the sense that whatever new fossil specimen of a dinosaur (OK OK, not from China!), say, a perfectly preserved, completely feathered Utahraptor is discovered (  ), which preserves indisputable feathers, is open to classification. It is possible for you to 'move the goalposts' and say, "OK, Utahraptor is a bird, but there are still no feathered dinosaurs". It's not a fallacy--archaeopteryx is a primitive bird. In fact, it's the other way around--the dino-bird people are desperately trying to make archie a dinosaur, which is not working ;D Or, to prempt anti-dino bird peeps in 10 years time: It's not a fallacy--Utahraptor is a primitive bird. ;D |
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Post by EmperorDinobot on Jan 30, 2008 1:13:47 GMT
Feathered dinosaurs are hard to draw.
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Post by sbell on Mar 27, 2008 4:58:02 GMT
I'm gonna jump in here--as someone who did some paleo work for a few years, I had no choice but to be aware of these new events (even though I studied tertiary mammals...).
There is too much evidence, even ignoring feathers, that there are a lot of shared morphological traits with SOME dinosaurs (coelurosaurs, especially maniraptors). So like it or not, your budgie is a raptor that lost its way (but survived).
On the other hand, nothing is worse than another feather-fallacy (I can't remember the name, but something along the lines of "if it's true of some, it's true of all)--that ALL dinos had feathers. This would be patently untrue, since we know from skin impressions of many less-related dinos (hadrosaurs, etc) as well as dinos that would be closer related (Carnotaurus) that their skin had no discernable feathers. Yet I have seen reconstructions (I'm looking at you, Luis Rey) of ceratopsians with feathers, which is not only bizarre, but reaches so far beyond science and logic as to be laughable, if it were not published in books.
Science is change in knowledge, our knowledge has changed. And even scientists in communist countries are capable of doing good work. Stating otherwise would be the cultural equivalent of an ad hominem attack, stating that because people are A (in a communist country), their work can be discounted (even though there would be no correlation between the two).
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;D
), which preserves indisputable feathers, is open to classification. It is possible for you to 'move the goalposts' and say, "OK, Utahraptor is a bird, but there are still no feathered dinosaurs".
