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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Dec 21, 2009 0:35:22 GMT
Yep, the battat para has one, but it's not like that's a praised figure anyways. Mostly it's just been old school reconstructions with the flap, most newer ones do without it (MOST, not all).
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Post by Griffin on Dec 21, 2009 0:48:30 GMT
Eh. I like it with it. I hate it when people say "no" to something there is no evidence against.
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Post by foxilized on Dec 21, 2009 3:54:17 GMT
In truth the Para has been represented with AND without the flap since the very beginning of paleoart. It simpy depended on how much "conservative" or "purist" the artist was.
Charles Knight, one of the very firsts, made him with the flap (first time in the 20's If I'm not wrong, also later in the 30's and 40's). Knight worked closely with paleontologists but only as a start point. After making a very deep and serious scientifical research, he then left his imagination go and covered all the fossil evidences with his awesome artistic insticnt to giving the beast life again. He tried to "dream" how the beast moved, sounded, smelled... Therefore, he at some point had to believe that the flat of the Para would have been something quite possible for a living creature.
Rudolph Zallinger, in the 40's and 50's, made the para always WITHOUT the flat. Apparently Zallinger was more careful in being "wrong" and took very few artistic licenses. He followed extremely closely what the paleontologists of the time told him, and not having any evidence of the flap, he didn't dare to put one.
Zdeneck Burian used to paint the Para both ways, with and without it, but he was much more inclined to follow Knight's choice and almost every Para of Burian has the flap.
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Post by Horridus on Dec 22, 2009 16:06:42 GMT
As far as Knight is concerned, wasn't he instructed to give it a skin flap? Sibbick has depicted it both with and without.
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Post by foxilized on Dec 23, 2009 7:00:26 GMT
I ignore if he was instructed in putting the flap or was his invention... It was probably suggested by the paleontologist he was working with, I suppose. He used to study living reptiles for his reconstructions though, so it could also be his own idea.
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Post by foxilized on Jan 7, 2010 1:22:11 GMT
Voilá I've scanned some cool pics I've found in an old encyclopedie of Dinos that was publisehd on Spain during the JP fever. It was hugely illustrated. That cool pic was there. ...btw I pretend to sell the whole encyclopedie (11 books). If anybody is interested, it's a spanish rarity I suppose...
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Jan 8, 2010 8:34:32 GMT
Here's another Dino in Snow pic to liven up the thread :
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Jan 8, 2010 20:52:28 GMT
After the asteroid struck, if any dinosaurs survived, the tempurature would probably drop due to all the sunlight being blotted out by all the ash in the sky, and it may have snowed... Imagine a starving and thin tyrannosaurus vs a starving and thin triceratops fighting in the snow ;D
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Jan 8, 2010 23:11:30 GMT
I have that story in one of my dino books..I'll try to look it later and post it..
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Jan 10, 2010 7:44:00 GMT
Sory for the delay. This short story is from Where are all the Dinosaurs ? by Troll Associates , designed and illustrated by John Bindon.
The Lean Winter
Weeks had passed since the mighty hunter Tyrannosaurus had spotted food. Her enormous body was stiff from another night of cold. Weakend by hunger, her body was giving in to disease. Her gums were cracked and bleeding, Flesh hung loosley on the fifty-foot frame that had once been solid with muscle.
It was the third winter of near-freezing temperatures, the forest was almost bare. The surviving plants had been stripped by starving herbivores. Even Tyrannosaurus had had nibbled on branches out of hunger, with the plant-eaters dying off her meat supply was disappearing fast.
As she walked stiffly past a clearing, something caught her eye. A lone Styracosaurus, once a magnificent horned enemy, it was also sick with hunger. His eyes no longer focused well, but he smelled the hunter nearby.
Styracosaurus bristled with fear, the Tyrannosaurus turned to charge at this horned meal, but with almost her first step, her knees buckled. The carnivore's huge head hit the earth with enough force to knock her out. She would never rise again. The Styracosaurus just stared, saved for now he knew his death would soon as well.
Hope you like it !
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Post by Libraraptor on Jan 10, 2010 19:46:08 GMT
Could be a Leaellynasaura searching for food. I think it fits well here, although one can also see this and some others in my "Libra´s Dioramas" thread.
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Post by stoneage on Jan 10, 2010 20:00:55 GMT
Sory for the delay. This short story is from Where are all the Dinosaurs ? by Troll Associates , designed and illustrated by John Bindon. The Lean Winter Weeks had passed since the mighty hunter Tyrannosaurus had spotted food. Her enormous body was stiff from another night of cold. Weakend by hunger, her body was giving in to disease. Her gums were cracked and bleeding, Flesh hung loosley on the fifty-foot frame that had once been solid with muscle. It was the third winter of near-freezing temperatures, the forest was almost bare. The surviving plants had been stripped by starving herbivores. Even Tyrannosaurus had had nibbled on branches out of hunger, with the plant-eaters dying off her meat supply was disappearing fast. As she walked stiffly past a clearing, something caught her eye. A lone Styracosaurus, once a magnificent horned enemy, it was also sick with hunger. His eyes no longer focused well, but he smelled the hunter nearby. Styracosaurus bristled with fear, the Tyrannosaurus turned to charge at this horned meal, but with almost her first step, her knees buckled. The carnivore's huge head hit the earth with enough force to knock her out. She would never rise again. The Styracosaurus just stared, saved for now he knew his death would soon as well. Hope you like it ! This is an interesting piece of fiction. Tyrannosaurus and Styracosoaurus didn't live at the same time. No Tyrannosaurus has ever been found that is 50 feet long. During the Late Cretaceous no ice existed at the poles. The climate was much warmer. In Alberta, Canada at the time the climate was Sub-Tropical much like Florida today. You would rarely see frost or snow even in winter. Fossils of turtles and frogs have been found there. Maybe he should have tried the smaller Albertosaurus.
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Post by Griffin on Jan 10, 2010 21:13:58 GMT
Well I think the story was supposed to take place during the dinosaur extinction when the sun was blotted out by all the ash, causing the temp to drop and thus, snow to fall.
I do, however agree with how Rex and Styrac never would have crossed paths. It would more likely be a Rex and Trike.
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Jan 10, 2010 21:22:03 GMT
This book came out..maybe in 1989 ? and it's for grade school kids soI doubt much thoguht was put into the writing..but I really enjoyed reading these when I was that age then acting them out with my toys.
If you wanted you could substitute Tyrannosaurus with Tyrannosaur...and the theme of the book was extinction..increasingly bad weather after a comet fall or a climate change explains the wintry landscape. The Rex's size ? Well as said it's just a story....not that 50' is much of a stretch from the largest specimens we have already..a bit less than a 2x4 actually.
I have a large collection of Dinosaur fiction...I wish I could put it all online for you guys..but that would be illegal.. :lol
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Post by stoneage on Jan 10, 2010 22:26:06 GMT
This book came out..maybe in 1989 ? and it's for grade school kids soI doubt much thoguht was put into the writing..but I really enjoyed reading these when I was that age then acting them out with my toys. If you wanted you could substitute Tyrannosaurus with Tyrannosaur...and the theme of the book was extinction..increasingly bad weather after a comet fall or a climate change explains the wintry landscape. The Rex's size ? Well as said it's just a story....not that 50' is much of a stretch from the largest specimens we have already..a bit less than a 2x4 actually. I have a large collection of Dinosaur fiction...I wish I could put it all online for you guys..but that would be illegal.. :lol I didn't know it was suppose to be Nuclear Winter. Still they should have used Triceratops or Torosaurus. Sue is 42 feet, which is an 8 foot difference.
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Post by Griffin on Jan 10, 2010 22:42:32 GMT
Well I don't think anyone has ever found the last vertebrae of a rex tail so we can never be totally certain. I usually say 43 feet is a good number for a big adult individual.
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Jan 10, 2010 23:03:35 GMT
Well I don't think anyone has ever found the last vertebrae of a rex tail so we can never be totally certain. I usually say 43 feet is a good number for a big adult individual. Actually I think there was a rex discovered with all of it's tail vertebrae. I think before that rex came along there were only about 10 vertebrae from the tail missing.
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Post by Horridus on Jan 10, 2010 23:16:51 GMT
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Post by Megaraptor on Jan 11, 2010 4:07:39 GMT
Snow in Alaska, northern Canada, Siberia, Russia, Australia and Antarctica in the Cretaceous period i reckon. And maybe in the Arctic in the late Jurassic too. Wasn't a partly mummifies Ichthyosaurus found there? Imagine an ichthy swimming under an ice sheet and suddenly an allosaur or basal spinosauroid (megalosaur?) plunges it's hand down ang gouges the Icthy's side. And the story sounds a bit like a scene in my planned book of dinosaur stories.
Harsh Winter
It is a few years after the K/T extintion and a female T-rex and her subadult offspring are strolling along looking for food when they spot a Torosaurus (or bull Triceratops to Horner). They watch it for a few minutes before realising it is blind. The mother charges but the angry old Toro compensates for his blindness with excellent hearing and smell. He turns around just in time to gouge the Rex in her side with a horn. The mother rex, weak with hunger, collapses due to the wound which wouldn't have bothered her in her heyday. The old Torosaurus snorts warily, knowing that the Rex may get up at any moment. After a few tense moments, the last shuddering breath of the fallen predator leaves her body. The Torosaurus leaves the scene. As the juvenile hops over to his mother's carcass, he senses something is wrong. It takes him a few seconds to realise she is dead. Seeing a free meal in front of him, and having no emotional ties to his mother, he lowers his head and tears a strip of meat from her bony corpse. Soon, he too will follow his mother to the grave, along with every other surviving dinosaur. Except the birds. As he finishes off the last mouthful, his descendants swoop down from the bare trees to fight over the scraps. As he leaves, he looks back to see a Didelphadon family scramble out of their burrow to feast on the scraps, and flies hovering around his mother's well and truly dead remains. The world belongs to them now.
A few decades later and the endless winter has relented, revealing the first signs of a new revelation, grass. The dinosaurs have gone now, and all that remains of their past activities here are a few weathered bones poking out of the dirt. One of these is the mother T-rex's skull, which a family of Purgatorius has taken up residence in. They may be seeking shelter in the last remains of a bygone era, but in thier world, the possibilities are endless...
This story was done in the style of the WwD narrative. I thank you all for listening, and hope you enjoyed the presentation (pretends to be a museum presener).
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Post by Griffin on Jan 11, 2010 7:17:48 GMT
None of them have their tail tips.
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