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Post by ikessauro on Feb 27, 2011 23:23:39 GMT
Lcamiro is right, those are among the best ones.
I personaly would add Ouranosaurus, Therizinosaurus, Polacanthus and Kronosaurus to the list, in this order.
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Post by bokisaurus on Feb 28, 2011 2:22:59 GMT
Nice to see pictures of the entire Salvat collection! they are such odd figures ;D I do like the Salvat collection for their unique and shameless way of copying other, more established lines I think I have pretty much all that I wanted from the set
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Post by itstwentybelow on Feb 28, 2011 3:51:48 GMT
ikessauro: That's what it looks like to me The head and forearms are spot on, I think, as well as the scaly texture. The rear legs look a little wonky but I think that must just be Salvat quality.
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Post by ikessauro on Feb 28, 2011 17:56:08 GMT
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Post by itstwentybelow on Feb 28, 2011 18:11:42 GMT
Yes that photo makes me absolutely sure that it's a copy of the Carnegie and not that Bullyland. But it's of the original 1988 sculpt of the Carnegie Para, before they added the spinal ridge and changed some other details. The only thing that would suggest it's the Bullyland is the quadrupedal pose, but honestly, if you were to slice the Salvat in half and look at only the front end, it's dead on for the Carnegie Para. The limbs are also so much more similar to Carnegie. I can see how one would get confused though I love paleo-toy sleuthing
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Post by ikessauro on Feb 28, 2011 18:46:23 GMT
Yeah.. maybe you're right. The head is very similar to CArnegie Para's. But the paint scheme is quite similar to the Bully one.
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Post by foxilized on Mar 1, 2011 21:45:58 GMT
Yeah.. maybe you're right. The head is very similar to CArnegie Para's. But the paint scheme is quite similar to the Bully one. They seem to have knockoffed a lot of the Carnegie sculpts and then painted them after some other company colours. --Another example is the Iguanodon, a total copy of the Carnegie and colours taken from the Toyway WWD Iguano. They knockoffed some Toyway sculpts too, though (Toro!).
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Post by lio99 on Mar 1, 2011 22:11:00 GMT
Is that why they look like carnegie safari figures, they copied them!!
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Post by ikessauro on Mar 2, 2011 2:30:57 GMT
Hey guys, do you recognize which Tanystropheus was copied by Salvat. The only one I know is the Carnegie, but the Salvat one doesn't seems like that.
I don't know which Styraco they copied too, neither the Velociraptor. The Velo looks a little similar to the DoC one, mainly because of the tail, but the head is way different.
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Post by stoneage on Mar 2, 2011 23:33:25 GMT
Hey guys, do you recognize which Tanystropheus was copied by Salvat. The only one I know is the Carnegie, but the Salvat one doesn't seems like that. I don't know which Styraco they copied too, neither the Velociraptor. The Velo looks a little similar to the DoC one, mainly because of the tail, but the head is way different. Maybe we should name all the knockoffs for each figure and post it with their pictures.
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Post by ikessauro on Mar 3, 2011 2:35:44 GMT
Hey guys, do you recognize which Tanystropheus was copied by Salvat. The only one I know is the Carnegie, but the Salvat one doesn't seems like that. I don't know which Styraco they copied too, neither the Velociraptor. The Velo looks a little similar to the DoC one, mainly because of the tail, but the head is way different. Maybe we should name all the knockoffs for each figure and post it with their pictures. Nice idea - Let's go then T-rex - Carnegie Anniversary T-rex (the paint job looks similar to the Carnegie one to me... what do you think?)
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Post by stoneage on Mar 3, 2011 2:38:38 GMT
Maybe we should name all the knockoffs for each figure and post it with their pictures. Nice idea - Let's go then T-rex - Carnegie Anniversary T-rex (the paint job looks similar to the Carnegie one to me... what do you think?) I definitely agree on that one. We need to get Foxi in on this, he's really good at spotting different nuances.
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Post by ikessauro on Mar 3, 2011 2:59:18 GMT
Triceratops - Original old Bullyland Triceratops Spinosaurus - Carnegie original Spinosaurus Parasaurolophus - Sculpt from Carnegie original Para, Color from Bully Para
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Post by gfxtwin on Mar 3, 2011 3:17:51 GMT
WARNING! NEGATIVE RESPONSE BELOW!
IF YOU TAKE CRITICISM TOO SERIOUSLY, NOW'S THE TIME TO TURN BACK.
Okay. All of these are total garbage. I wouldn't even give them to my kid (if I had one).
Posts like these make me wonder what some of the motives of the collectors here are. Do you collect dinosaur figures/sculptures because you love the idea of the dinosaur and want an affordable, 3-D representation of the creatures complete with touchable texture...
...or are you collecting every dinosaur toy that you can find because you have an emotional connection to the idea of a dinosaur toy?
YOU ARE NOW LEAVING THE ZONE OF NEGATIVITY.
For the record, I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with either motive.
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Post by ikessauro on Mar 3, 2011 3:42:07 GMT
Yeah, I was expecting some response like that to show up in here sometime. I think it took even too long to someone do that. I think it's a matter of personal taste to like or dislike figures like these.
Let's think a little bit. A lot of companies were copied by Salvat and I know, they picked up some horrible sculpts to copy and made them even worse they already were.
Just a little of them are reasonable sculpts and it isn't due the Salvat competence to make dinos. In fact, the Salvat isn't even a toy maker, they are magazine editors.
But, Salvats aren't the only knock offs of other better lines around and thus some collectors have interest in some. There are collectors who get them just for the rarity, others buy some because like the look of them... anyway, as I said, it's a matter of taste.
You said you wouldn't give these for your kid. That's maybe because they are knock offs and not because they are ugly at all. If you look, most of them look very similar to the original ones, so similar that even an inexperienced collector can tell it's a copy. As has been said, SAlvat didn't bother to hide that they were copies.
As my final word, I would say that the problem with Salvat is not the ugliness, low quality or other similar reasons. I think most of collectors dislike this figures just by the fact they copied so many known good figures.
I have no problem with heavy criticism at all. Go ahead. I just like this figures. I didn't made them.
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Post by stoneage on Mar 3, 2011 22:33:23 GMT
I think your going a little overboard gfxtwin. I mean what would you give your kids resin? Actually I think this collection is very interesting. Admitted the quality isn't the best and they are copys, some good some bad, but they are an interesting story. I don't have any but I wouldn't mind having a few of the better ones. There are way to many and it would be to much expense for me to get them all. But if I did have them all, I think it would be sort of a prize possesion. I doubt very many people do. They certainly aren't the worst dinosaurs out there!
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Post by gfxtwin on Mar 4, 2011 2:49:07 GMT
Yeah, sorry about that, guys. Came off as more of a jerk than I intended in that last post. I was trying to express bewilderment as to why people collect such a large quantity of novelty items. Instead, it sounded like an attack, which is dumb. I could have gotten that across better for sure and I DID go overboard. Collect what you want. Some people spend ridiculous amounts of money buying cars and art, so whats the harm in collecting cheap figurines?
Anyway, to get this thread back on track: It is pretty interesting how this company gets away with blatantly ripping-off some other figures. Have they ever had trouble with copyright infringement?
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Post by Trexroarr on Mar 4, 2011 2:54:14 GMT
I can't believe how many figures in this set are really bad knock-offs of Carnegie and Battat! I'm shocked! It's called Copyrights, people! Haha!
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Post by DinoLord on Mar 4, 2011 3:24:15 GMT
Well I'm not sure if the Battats still have copyright. Does anyone know if they do?
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Post by Trexroarr on Mar 4, 2011 3:39:19 GMT
Well I'm not sure if the Battats still have copyright. Does anyone know if they do? I don't think that copyrights just end like that, and when these figures first came out, like in 2000-2001 I believe, I'm sure Battat still had their copyright.
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