sauropod feet, and why everyone gets them wrong

[tetonbabydoll]

Ok, I was wondering about this. Even the new Carnegie's feet are wrong. I did not understand this completely, as I can find many images of skeletal reconstructions and paintings, AND most cgi images showing "hands" with five distinct fingers with claws or hooves. Perplexed, I resolved to spend an evening looking for info. Imagine my surprise when the very first site that came up was this one:

darrennaish.blogspot.com/2006/04/hands-of-sauropods-horseshoes-spiky.html

Now, if inside of, say, five minutes searching, and a little less than that reading, I can conmpletely get it, then why is it soooo tough for most pro artists, sculpters, toy makers, and even the guys mounting the d**n skeketons who are having such a hard time getting it right? It is no wonder that Procon and even Safari get it wrong, they go look at a skeleton, and do that, but if the skeleton is reproduced WRONG, then the toy will be wrong. Aaauuuugh. So, why has this been allowed to be perpetuated? We have remounted many a t-rex to be horizontal. We have restored many a skull to the brontosaurus--yes, bronto, in my show of solidarity with "crazy dino dude", as I proclaimed I would do--We have re-evaluated sauropod and plesiosaur necks, reconsidered tail position and movement. Plated and replated stegos and ankylos. Why have there not been anyone "doing toes"?

So, to be brief, as my ambien is catching me, how can we fault these toy desigers and artists, when the source material itself is incorrect, with few people pointing that out?

[tetonbabydoll]

Here, I will either demonstrate the problem with well thought out processes, or makle no sense at all. Whooo, it'll be FUN.

a team readying the life size nigersaurus reconstruction, and how carnegie probably got it wrong...



Mounted feet reconstruction for Argentinasaurus



some behind the scenes mounting of Nigersaurus:








unknown sauropod leg mounting:



Argentinasaurus mounting

[tetonbabydoll]

So, its no wonder so many get it wrong, they are only as good as their source. Night all.

Class discuss

[tomhet]

Again, Procon doesn't go straight to the source, for instance, they copied the Nigersaurus from Todd Marshall and yet they got the feet wrong

Kaiyodo, Battat and Kinto, they all got it right, it's not difficult.

[Tyrannax]

I agree with tomhet. I've seen several toys that have gotten the feet right.

[tetonbabydoll]

Feb 10, 2009 17:40:41 GMT @tomhet said:

Again, Procon doesn't go straight to the source, for instance, they copied the Nigersaurus from Todd Marshall and yet they got the feet wrong

Kaiyodo, Battat and Kinto, they all got it right, it's not difficult.

Carnegie's is no better in that regard. Ok, so the Japanese tend to get it right, they always spend more effort on accuracy, it is why I like their Tamiya models. And, Battat is one of the very few. I am asking, also, why pro mounters are getting the reconstructions wrong. Many of the mounted sauropods have the wrong feet. If I were doing research, I would find FAR more material with it wrong rather than right. It is not about just Procon, The carnegies are all wrong, the Tamiya brachio is wrong, the WS apato and Galaxy apato are wrong, the bully and Schleich apatos are wrong. And the procons are wrong. Except, oddly enough, their amargasaurus, which only shows the thumb claw on its front feet, putting it ahead of carnegie's in that respect....

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

Carneige's only has one claw on it's front feet.

Procon's also got the shape of their feet wrong.

[tetonbabydoll]

Feb 11, 2009 0:00:18 GMT [][][]cordylus[][][] said:

Carneige's only has one claw on it's front feet.

Procon's also got the shape of their feet wrong.

I am looking right at Carnegie's amrgo, and it has three toenails engraved into each front foot plus the claw. I can clearly see them,m and painted em. The feet of it are also oval on the bottem, procon's is wrong but it is semi-circular, with the rear edge being flat. That is closer than Carnegie. I have them right here side by side. Do you have the Procon amarga?

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

Feb 11, 2009 0:07:38 GMT @tetonbabydoll said:

Feb 11, 2009 0:00:18 GMT [][][]cordylus[][][] said:

Carneige's only has one claw on it's front feet.

Procon's also got the shape of their feet wrong.

I am looking right at Carnegie's amrgo, and it has three toenails engraved into each front foot plus the claw. I can clearly see them,m and painted em. The feet of it are also oval on the bottem, procon's is wrong but it is semi-circular, with the rear edge being flat. That is closer than Carnegie. I have them right here side by side. Do you have the Procon amarga?

My carnegie is different then... And besides, didn't you re-paint your amarga? If so, you could have had added more claws. I see you did that with your carnegie dippy.

And it is supposed to be horseshoe shaped; both of them are equally wrong.

[tetonbabydoll]

My point. They are both wrong. Yes, I am sure about the amarga. Its claws are engraved. You are right about the new dippy, though. I will have to attend to that, and the Kinto brachio. I used the Tamiya brachy as reference, which, as it turns out, is wrong...

[dlindeman]

Thanks for the toe insight .
DL

[bokisaurus]

Interesting about those problematic feet Nice to know what to look for ;D
Hey, I just noticed that the nigera skeleton's pose looks very similar to the CollectA figure ;D
Even how the tail is positioned, hmm maybe they looked at the skeleton for reference.

[tomhet]

The Safari did remind me of one of the skeletons I saw online. I wonder if they based it on that reconstruction.