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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Mar 11, 2009 1:37:17 GMT
 Ehm.... *struggles to find good comment on opthalmo* ;D The dorsal fin could use some biggening, and he needs anal fins, .... ;D |
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Post by dinonikes on Mar 11, 2009 1:40:23 GMT
its just a rough state- i know there needs to be rear fins- maybe it was premature to post -just was sort of wanting to share a rough sculpt- even if it needs a lot more work-
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Post by dinonikes on Mar 11, 2009 1:43:59 GMT
This was what I was sort of looking at when i did the face on the indri- wantedto get that wrinkled rhino look going- pardon me but I couldn't post last night and wasn;t able to partake in the discussion- there had been a little discussion regarding the wrinkles on the beast -  |
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Post by tomhet on Mar 11, 2009 2:08:45 GMT
This was what I was sort of looking at when i did the face on the indri- wantedto get that wrinkled rhino look going- pardon me but I couldn't post last night and wasn;t able to partake in the discussion- there had been a little discussion regarding the wrinkles on the beast - I like the wrinkles  |
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Post by bmknj17 on Mar 11, 2009 2:10:31 GMT
Re: the wrinkles...
I realize that a rhino's face has wrinkles, although if you look at various pictures the amount varies greatly.
My point is that the lines are so heavy on the right side of the Indrico's face especially that they look like gouges or gashes.
It seems like finer wrinkles on a smaller body part shouldn't have the same width/depth as those on a torso and require a finer tool.
If you imposed those size wrinkles on this rhino it'd look like he took a lion's claws to the face.
And they just seem randomly added, all horizontal, not studied, with no regard for where wrinkles would be with respect to the structure of the face.
And details like this are far more an issue on the face than elsewhere.
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Post by tomhet on Mar 11, 2009 2:17:25 GMT
*sigh*
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 11, 2009 3:05:41 GMT
That Optha is pretty a cute little bugger..it has to be the eyes...so much like our Chiuahuah...lol
Looks all nervous and watchful....maybe you have him sitting too near the Tylo..eh? ;D
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Post by tomhet on Mar 11, 2009 3:20:22 GMT
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Post by sbell on Mar 11, 2009 3:21:06 GMT
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Post by Tyrannax on Mar 11, 2009 3:30:53 GMT
I like it so far.
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Post by bmknj17 on Mar 11, 2009 3:45:38 GMT
I don't know why this needs to be said but a good number of people here need to learn how to exhibit some respect for those with whom they disagree.
I've made and supported various points throughout this thread. Some resulted in positive changes the rewards of which will be reaped by members; some I was convinced were erroneous or unnecessary; some I believe are right or at least valid despite their being unheeded; and some I'm sure are right despite their being unheeded.
But I've never before insisted I was right or that anyone else was wrong or that I expected my opinion to be heeded for any other reason than Malcolm thought it correct. I've not been sarcastic, insulting, or in any way disrespectful to anyone, despite occasional extremely good cause had I been so inclined. And debates that go on for a long time require at least two parties. Others feel they have as valid a point or points as I do or there wouldn't be the long debate and discord.
I look at these figures with a careful and critical eye, as requested--something I think only a few here do, or are capable of doing. And though no one's going to get it right every time, I'm making the effort, not tossing out one word sycophantic approvals and moving on to criticize others for their greater attention.
This is a forum in which people are juvenile and cowardly enough to put anonymous negative points for members on display for others to see, a conduct I would expect of children, though I certainly would never allow that sort of lack of integrity of my own. Some members are satisfied with figures of horrific quality and act utterly perplexed, rude, even smug when others demand better, as if theirs is in some twisted way a superior take.
Were it not for Malcolm's line, I, and I know a few others, would rarely engage anyone here.
If you disagree with an observation I or anyone makes, state your case with some dignity and intelligence. If you're not capable of that, a better choice, though I know it's not likely, would be not doing so at all.
And Sean, I think I've treated you pretty well over the years. Certainly never with disrespect here or prior. I think the sigh in order now would be from me.
This process is supposed to be constructive, and enjoyable, and most ironically, collaborative. If you can't respect me or each other, at least respect Malcolm's letting us be a part of it enough to keep the discussion as intended.
My apologies to those members who communicate with self-respect and thoughtfulness.
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 11, 2009 4:02:21 GMT
Eh, the internet is a bad place for things like this to happen..seems to draw it out..though the real world isn't much better...I know when I first started in forums it was awful..I was a fan-boy and we had downright brutal debates over things...though I never was suspended..lol ;D Now I just state my opinion ...with a bit more care towards others... it would be so much better if we could all just sit down together eh ?  |
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Post by bmknj17 on Mar 11, 2009 4:06:45 GMT
'preciate that, Blade.
I have no problem with long debate.
I just have a problem with ignorance or disrespect in any form.
And I usually get called out for complaining about it more than do the people exhibiting it.
And, btw, Blade...
I belong to only two other forums. One, which I won't name, though I will say that it can be construed as Fanboy-ish in nature, is, without at all surprising me based upon its subject, home to some tragically ignorant people.
The other, Whedonesque, features the brightest, most insightful, and most respectful communication I've seen in any forum of this kind.
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 11, 2009 4:21:00 GMT
Seems human nature to argue about things...some would argue I meant " discuss things "..heh but I didn't...and heaven help the person that wades out into the middle of people " discussing things " ... ;D To get back OT and then head a bit OT again....lol Malcolm, ever think doing any Jurassic Park type pieces ? There a few Papo forgot... No scientific argument there I bet...just artistic ones.. hehe |
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Post by Meso-Cenozoic on Mar 11, 2009 4:23:13 GMT
I agree with Blade. It's tough communicating with only words on a screen! People can't see the complete intention of what others are trying to convey.
I think Tomhet and Sean were just showing signs of fatigue on the matter. Debates can get overwhelming! And, sometimes, without intentionally meaning to, we can all get a bit over-the-top when trying to make a point we truly believe isn't getting across.
So, I wouldn't read too much into the "sighs". I think it was merely a sign of "we need a break"!
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Post by bmknj17 on Mar 11, 2009 4:29:20 GMT
'preciate your diplomacy as well, CM.
Trust that, being on the receiving end of this, I've paid attention to it building, and it's not just about the sighs which were, btw, in response to a new exchange between Malcom and me.
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Post by Meso-Cenozoic on Mar 11, 2009 4:49:14 GMT
Hey, it's "MC" as in Meso-Cenozoic, meaning "the era in which prehistoric life co-exists with human life". Even though I made it up, I kinda like it, lol! It's funny though, "CM" are my real initials! They stand for Chuck Macklin. ;D Anyway, even you think there''s more to it, it doesn't help to worry too much about it. When you get down to it, It's just a chat forum, and things like this happen all the time and to most everyone that ever gets involved in one.  Maybe just pace yourself a bit more on the posting in this thread.  |
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Post by bmknj17 on Mar 11, 2009 5:00:59 GMT
Argh. Sorry, MC. Just a typo.
Doesn't bother me exactly the way you likely think. I'm more disgusted than offended. And if I could contribute to putting a stop to disrespectful behavior, even toward myself, I'm going to try to do it.
For the record, not to put this up for ANY discussion but just by way of explanation, this was the only figure for which I went out on such an extensive limb and about which I wouldn't back down. It's because 1) I love the animal, 2) I was thus obviously looking forward to owning it, and 3) I can see the very subtle difference in height between M's version and others, like Paleocraft's, and how that small differential dramatically diminishes the animal's stature to my eye. And that stature is not only the animal's defining feature, it's pretty much it's only spectacular feature.
The current leg length may be passable, but to me it robs the figure of its best potential.
Can't predict how passionate I'll be about future offerings. But I always try to behave...
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 11, 2009 5:45:29 GMT
See having a stake in the sculpt makes a difference.. If it's something I'm going to purchase..I care a lot more... ;D |
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Post by bmknj17 on Mar 11, 2009 6:17:03 GMT
Well, admittedly, most of my other suggestions found endings. Not sure how far I might have gone had they not.
M actually made most of the changes I suggested--pointy rex and para tails, defining the rex feet scales, para feet scale removal (which was an aesthetic call), naturalizing the para crest, and correcting the para eye size and the aquatic guy's skin texture. I let go of the para feet looking like paws issue and, in the case of that last aquatic guy, a new photo changed my mind to enough of an extent about his jawline to let it go. But you're right. I won't be buying him. Gonna wait for a bigger elasmosaur.
Here though, we had three pages of commentary before M even joined the discussion.
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