Dino Toy Line Questions- Original Thread -

[bmknj17]

With another HUGE apology to M and most everyone else, I'm going OT once more, because what I'm seeing here is really so unbelievably inappropriate, cowardly, and (the best word I can muster) sleazy, that I don't think anyone should have to accept it.

And since my posts were catalyst to some really inappropriate behavior, I'd like to try to be one for stopping the same, since obviously it is continuing, and in a most pathetic way, even after M and DTF asked it be stopped.

First, thanks very much to BD and Christophe for your sensible and kind words (and for your astute eyes (Ha ha...)). Continued thanks to M, who knows how much I respect his work and the nature of this project. And thanks to DTF and the others who tried to soothe things here without getting too involved.

All that said, it's bad enough what I and everyone else had to read from one moderator who clearly has many issues of understanding and expression.

But in many ways worse, another, one to whom I thought I'd always been a sort of friend, comes in and in the very thin guise of respectfulness and trying to restore order that had already been restored, tosses out another not at all veiled attack?

To that person, and no, I can't hide who you are and I'm not pretending to try, since you were one of the top offenders in this episode, I think you should ask yourself your own pointed question.

Not sure how you thought you'd get away with placing blame on others when you contributed several of the most inappropriate posts yourself. And really sad that you'd use BD's departure as a tool to try to paint yourself as above the fray when you were down near the bottom. And I notice no contrition on your part either. Maybe others didn't notice, but your post was a disgrace. To quote you, sigh.

Last, to BlackDanter, I think we're starting to find out that there are enough of us here with heads on our shoulders to make this place enjoyable and I really hope that you will consider joining again.

We hadn't communicated much lately (at least in part because I don't look at any threads outside this one any longer), but I enjoyed our early conversations and your observation here only reinforces the respect I had for you.

We could use you back here.

Again, my apologies to everyone for stirring up a bit of the settling dust. But to me, this all needed to be said.

Brett

[sbell]

I guess I can respond. I simply meant that Malcolm had asked that we all cease adding posts that did not actually, directly refer to his work. That is all. And yes, I used the 'guise' of asking where blackdanter went, because I didn't see anything about his departure. And it appeared to occur right after his leaving a message in this thread.

Not everything is personal. Believe me, I am not a veiled person--if I really want to say something I will. But I'm also conscientious enough to know when enough is enough.

Ergo, it's locked for now. Malcolm, let me know when you wish to post in here again.

[Dinotoyforum]

Haven't had time to read the newest posts properly (I don't need this now) - just to say I unlocked the thread for people who want to continue discussing the figures, it would be unfair for the project otherwise. I'm discussing with Dinonikes what he wants to happen.

Please can everyone stop getting so hung up on other poster's comments and perceived attitudes. Say what you like about the figure, provide constructive criticism, and let it be. Thank you for your cooperation.

[kikimalou]

I'm curious Dinonikes why you choose 3 1/2 inches for your Opthalmosaurus. 3 1/2 inches = 3 1/2 meters. Opthalmosaurus is generally consided to be 5 to 6 meters. I assummed this was 1 /40 scale.

Hey Stoneage, I can't find the 6 meters ophtalmo you are talking about. Could you give me your source ?
I do a little research and It seems that the good size is actually between 3 and 4 meters.
I just regret this little guy lost his hindfins but I'm sure his dad will give him two soon

[bmknj17]

Hey M...

Let's look at this from a positive perspective. This could all be very inspirational.

Maybe your next guy, whatever he might be, can have a big, wide open, toothy, bellowy, snarly mouth?? He can symbolically get rid of all of the frustration and negative energy...

Better, make her a female and name her Harmony or something... Then make EVERYONE BUY HER!

Looking forward to whatever she might be. Smilodon maybe!?!?

Onward...
Brett

[tomhet]

Mar 12, 2009 19:49:06 GMT kikimalou said:

I'm curious Dinonikes why you choose 3 1/2 inches for your Opthalmosaurus. 3 1/2 inches = 3 1/2 meters. Opthalmosaurus is generally consided to be 5 to 6 meters. I assummed this was 1 /40 scale.

Hey Stoneage, I can't find the 6 meters ophtalmo you are talking about. Could you give me your source ?
I do a little research and It seems that the good size is actually between 3 and 4 meters.
I just regret this little guy lost his hindfins but I'm sure his dad will give him two soon

Wiki says 6 mts too:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophthalmosaurus

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

About Wikipedia, from a quote by the great Michael Scott:

"Wikipedia... Is like the best thing ever. Anyone, at any time, anywhere in the WORLD can go in, and write stuff. So, you, like, know, that you are getting the best possible information ever."

;D

[Dinotoyforum]

6m is probably the uppermost size limit for an Opthalmosaurus, rare old adult individuals.

[kikimalou]

Wiki seems to be the only site where we can find a 6 meters ophtalmosaurus. I always trust Wiki when other sites gives the same information.

[Dinotoyforum]

Mar 12, 2009 20:49:43 GMT kikimalou said:

Wiki seems to be the only site where we can find a 6 meters ophtalmosaurus. I always trust Wiki when other sites gives the same information.

It's also on the WWD website - that might be the source. This cast is listed as 5.4 m long (pretty close to 6m): www.dinocasts.com/prod_productDetails.asp?ProductId=690

[bokisaurus]

Wow! I took a few days break and boom! more marine reptiles! Yay! ;D Keep my name on your list of customers M ;D
I love the indri BTW, I still hope that you will consider making a elasmotherium someday Can't wait to see more mammals

[stoneage]

Mar 12, 2009 19:49:06 GMT kikimalou said:

I'm curious Dinonikes why you choose 3 1/2 inches for your Opthalmosaurus. 3 1/2 inches = 3 1/2 meters. Opthalmosaurus is generally consided to be 5 to 6 meters. I assummed this was 1 /40 scale.

Hey Stoneage, I can't find the 6 meters ophtalmo you are talking about. Could you give me your source ?
I do a little research and It seems that the good size is actually between 3 and 4 meters.
I just regret this little guy lost his hindfins but I'm sure his dad will give him two soon

Wiki says 5 to 6 meters
Dinosaurs and Prehistoric Life by Hazel Richardson says 5 meters or 16 feet.
Dinosaurs by Steve Parker says 3 to 5 meters(10 to 16 1/2 feet.)
Prehistoric Animals A to Z Guide by Michael Benton says 11 feet.
Chased by Sea Monsters by Nigel Marven and Jasper James says up to 5 meters or 16 feet.
5 meters sounds pretty good to me unless DTF thinks these numbers are inflated like Liopleurodon or Kronosaurus. WWD and others always seem to go for the big numbers. Remember I said 5 to 6 not 6 meters! Also I'm not telling Dinonikes to change anything unless thats what he wants.

[dinonikes]

I just remeasured the Opthalmosaurus and it actually measures 4 inches long or 4 meters- whaddya think? I have to admit that in this case it was an impulsive sculpt- i just had seen the cool chart that DTF posted (which Wheezy had sent to me earlier-((What ever happened to Wheezy? Haven't seen any posts from him in a while??He actually at the start of this project had google searched every animal listed in all three of the original lists of figures to sculpt and had sent them to me to save me the time of google image searching and looking online-we all owe him thanks for that generous use of his time)))of the different ichtyos during the discussion of the possible Shoni fin- and just traced off the computer which gave me the four inches length which seemed to be within the first few googled references i found- i usually do a much more thorough job of researching before I sculpt anything- in this case it was just an anxiousness to do an ichthyosaur after all of that Shoni talk -

[Tyrannax]

Mar 12, 2009 20:22:49 GMT [][][]cordylus[][][] said:

About Wikipedia, from a quote by the great Michael Scott:

"Wikipedia... Is like the best thing ever. Anyone, at any time, anywhere in the WORLD can go in, and write stuff. So, you, like, know, that you are getting the best possible information ever."

;D

I looked up Abraham Lincoln a few months ago and it, well, had a few harsh words regarding races.

Wikipedia...why on earth is it always first when searching for a particular topic?

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Mar 12, 2009 23:30:19 GMT dinonikes said:

I just remeasured the Opthalmosaurus and it actually measures 4 inches long or 4 meters- whaddya think? I have to admit that in this case it was an impulsive sculpt- i just had seen the cool chart that DTF posted (which Wheezy had sent to me earlier-((What ever happened to Wheezy? Haven't seen any posts from him in a while??He actually at the start of this project had google searched every animal listed in all three of the original lists of figures to sculpt and had sent them to me to save me the time of google image searching and looking online-we all owe him thanks for that generous use of his time)))of the different ichtyos during the discussion of the possible Shoni fin- and just traced off the computer which gave me the four inches length which seemed to be within the first few googled references i found- i usually do a much more thorough job of researching before I sculpt anything- in this case it was just an anxiousness to do an ichthyosaur after all of that Shoni talk -

My interpretation...it's a younger and/or female individual...if 5-6 is right.

You could keep it as the above or make a small family group if you wanted..a slightly larger male ( with battle scars ! ) and a baby one... all on the same base or something...kind of like the Sea Monsters Doli set.

If you make just the one that would good too...the cheapest piece yet right ? It could be a good starter piece for a collector interested in your line but not willing to spend a lot.

Either way.....

[tomhet]

I'd love to see it with a jellyfish

[stoneage]

Mar 12, 2009 23:30:19 GMT dinonikes said:

I just remeasured the Opthalmosaurus and it actually measures 4 inches long or 4 meters- whaddya think? I have to admit that in this case it was an impulsive sculpt- i just had seen the cool chart that DTF posted (which Wheezy had sent to me earlier-((What ever happened to Wheezy? Haven't seen any posts from him in a while??He actually at the start of this project had google searched every animal listed in all three of the original lists of figures to sculpt and had sent them to me to save me the time of google image searching and looking online-we all owe him thanks for that generous use of his time)))of the different ichtyos during the discussion of the possible Shoni fin- and just traced off the computer which gave me the four inches length which seemed to be within the first few googled references i found- i usually do a much more thorough job of researching before I sculpt anything- in this case it was just an anxiousness to do an ichthyosaur after all of that Shoni talk -

Its really up to you dinonikes. 5 meters seems to be the norm although DTF said there is one that is 5.4 meters. A bigger one might allow more detail. People simply could state their preference. At least you don't have all the detail finished as far as I know. Even at 4 inches a good sculpt would still be worth while.

[tetonbabydoll]

Mmmm. Everything I find, from Nat Geo on, lists the size right around 6 meters.... then again the hospital walls appear to be moving at the moment....

Anyhoo, it seems a bit on the small side, but no one ever said every toy had to represent the absolute largest of any given species.

[stoneage]

Mar 13, 2009 1:56:27 GMT @tomhet said:

I'd love to see it with a jellyfish

You realize if he makes this an aquarium style display, it will cost more money!

[tomhet]

^^^ I know, but it would be worth it ;D