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Post by Himmapaan on May 2, 2011 20:45:15 GMT
Yeah, its like they have the dynamism of a coffee pot. How you can say such shocking, shocking things...  *Shakes head morosely* ;D Something I hadn't remarked upon before but which might now be timely is your choice to render every scale in your drawings. If I may just refer to this post I made on Marc's thread (which would give you reason to view his lovely work too). Darn right. ;D Besides which, sauropods have unrivalled majesty and grace (the latter in spite of their size and bulk); these things surely can't escape anyone. ;D |
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Post by Horridus on May 2, 2011 21:08:17 GMT
"Lovely work"?!?! Ack, you must be joking...
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Post by arioch on May 2, 2011 21:34:54 GMT
Yeah, its like they have the dynamism of a coffee pot. How you can say such shocking, shocking things... *Shakes head morosely* ;D Something I hadn't remarked upon before but which might now be timely is your choice to render every scale in your drawings. If I may just refer to this post I made on Marc's thread (which would give you reason to view his lovely work too). Well, in my early drawings I usually used the sparing technique or didn´t draw any scales at all ;D. But when I started to sharing them I decided to render the tiniest detail to compensate my dirty style and lack of advanced skills . If I had your skill Id probably would be content with wrinkled smooth skined dinos though. But I think the full scaly think can be very striking, some of my favourite "pro" drawings are of that kind. I already knew of Horridus great work, his thread is in my favourites, and so is yours. ;D A few weeks ago I was thinking about doing a Shunosaurus kicking the crap out of a Gasosaurus but in the last moment I went with the Lambeo. Maybe I will make of it my next project in order to redeem myself! My vision of sauropods has proved to be slightly outdated....  |
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Post by arioch on May 2, 2011 21:52:48 GMT
I don't think sauropods would have had cheeks. Also I'm not sure they could actually rear up that steeply. I know the Barosaurus mount in the AMNH is considered not really plausible anymore. They could still rear but it would have been at a more horizontal angle I'm pretty sure. Also back on the Drypto. I'm friends with the guy who has made it his business to raise awareness on this dinosaur. Whenever anything remotely Dryptosaurus-related goes on he knows about it. This is his site if you care to look. dryptosaurus.blogspot.com/ To my knowledge isolated bones from the NJ area have been found since the first specimen in the 1800s but nothing groundbreaking. When asked most experts would say that Dryptosaurus would have been similar to something like Gorgosaurus except give it long arms with the three fingers, digit one being big. Another good reference animal would be Appalachiasaurus. The paleoartist Robert Walters seems convinced it was a Spinosaur. But for now the most credible assumption would be slender tyrannosaurid with long arms and 3 fingers. Well its a bit too late to correct the posture...You should have said that when it still was a blurry pencil sketch . Those arent cheeks either -if you mean the adult skull- but the upper jaw line, maybe a bit too lowered. Regarding Drypto...It would be the first spinosaurid found in North America if that was the case right? very interesting.  |
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Post by Himmapaan on May 2, 2011 22:02:34 GMT
It's a very seductive thing, I know, to try to render every scale, precisely because it adds to the impression of attention to detail; which would be completely wonderful if it can be done without sacrificing the apparent feel of volume and bulk in the drawings. Those gorgeously scaly paintings of the masters are usually achieved either with near-photorealist attention to lighting and execution (and you will notice that even in those works, you won't see every scale  , or with a more judicious means of drawing them without uniformly covering the entire creature. Which is why I mentioned giving a suggestion of scales rather than drawing every individual one, which doesn't mean doing away with them altogether if you happen to enjoy it. Similarly, the choice not to draw scales doesn't mean one is suggesting the dinosaurs are smooth; rather it is done with the acknowledgement that we know and perceive the animals to be scaly.  Just as one might not draw every strand of hair in a human head -- or elsewhere for that matter ;D -- or every filament of every feather on a bird/theropod. I'm very far from saying 'don't draw scales!' of course! And there is no right or wrong -- there is only what facilitates. I just thought I might chip in thereto. ;D I'm silently appreciative for the most part and leave the others to suggest corrections. I hope you don't mind my tuppence-worth in this regard.  ;D "Lovely work"?!?! Ack, you must be joking... Not at all. And I'm sure many others agree, too. |
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Post by arioch on May 3, 2011 1:54:34 GMT
Mmh, I guess I could try another styles while I improve my shading or coloring abilities. Or I might focus in doing cleaner stuff and underline the smaller wrinkles and shades, sort of like you do. Exhausting as it seems, covering the whole body in scales is also wickedly gratificating in a way I cannot describe. But I really appreciate your opinion in this matter. By the way I made a quick one dedicated to you Himmapan. Its a very polite Alamosaurus teaching some manners ;D:  |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on May 3, 2011 6:22:32 GMT
lol ;D
I do a lot of detailing myself...and it is incredibly addictive drawing every , tiny, thing.. lol
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Post by Horridus on May 3, 2011 12:56:29 GMT
Its a very polite Alamosaurus teaching some manners ;D Love it! |
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Post by Griffin on May 3, 2011 14:19:06 GMT
I don't think sauropods would have had cheeks. Also I'm not sure they could actually rear up that steeply. I know the Barosaurus mount in the AMNH is considered not really plausible anymore. They could still rear but it would have been at a more horizontal angle I'm pretty sure. Also back on the Drypto. I'm friends with the guy who has made it his business to raise awareness on this dinosaur. Whenever anything remotely Dryptosaurus-related goes on he knows about it. This is his site if you care to look. dryptosaurus.blogspot.com/ To my knowledge isolated bones from the NJ area have been found since the first specimen in the 1800s but nothing groundbreaking. When asked most experts would say that Dryptosaurus would have been similar to something like Gorgosaurus except give it long arms with the three fingers, digit one being big. Another good reference animal would be Appalachiasaurus. The paleoartist Robert Walters seems convinced it was a Spinosaur. But for now the most credible assumption would be slender tyrannosaurid with long arms and 3 fingers. Well its a bit too late to correct the posture...You should have said that when it still was a blurry pencil sketch . Those arent cheeks either -if you mean the adult skull- but the upper jaw line, maybe a bit too lowered. Regarding Drypto...It would be the first spinosaurid found in North America if that was the case right? very interesting. Yeah sorry when I posted was right after I had seen everything there for the first time. I understand its too late but for future pieces its good to keep in mind. Yeah most people don't really accept the spinosaur theory. All we can hope for is to find more fossil material...hope really really really hard. |
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Post by arioch on May 3, 2011 15:31:45 GMT
I seriously doubt a spinosaurid could have survived so long in the cretaceaous outside of Gondwana...Tyrannosaurids seem to have been a too strong competitor for all big carnivores as they eventually whiped all them out, while spinos effectively shared their environment with megalosaurids or charcharodontosaurids for some millions of years. A bit of the coloured version and a small update on the Pteranodon AKA " You talking to me?" Early version:  More accurate version:   |
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Post by Griffin on May 3, 2011 16:22:42 GMT
I just realized you have these big belly scales on the tyrannosaurs. There is actually a skin impression on the fossil record from the bottom of a tyrannosaur and the "scales" (or skin or whatever) were very fine. Like the bumps on a basketball.
I like the colors though. The pteranodon came out especially nice.
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Post by arioch on May 3, 2011 16:31:20 GMT
I just realized you have these big belly scales on the tyrannosaurs. There is actually a skin impression on the fossil record from the bottom of a tyrannosaur and the "scales" (or skin or whatever) were very fine. Like the bumps on a basketball. I like the colors though. The pteranodon came out especially nice. Oh its an artistic license. ;D I thought the Tyrannosaur skin impressions were from the back of he tail, anyway. The idea of the croc like scales in the belly came from those found on Concavenator (although I doubt they were so big in him too) |
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Post by Horridus on May 3, 2011 16:55:48 GMT
Tyrannosaurids seem to have been a too strong competitor for all big carnivores as they eventually whiped all them out Woah, woah, wait a minute! This isn't known for sure. Any number of factors could have resulted in the decline of the giant allosauroids, which by the way occurred in the south (where they were replaced by abelisaurids) as well as the north. It could have tied in with the decline of their super-sauropod prey, for one. |
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Post by simon on May 3, 2011 17:59:26 GMT
Tyrannosaurids seem to have been a too strong competitor for all big carnivores as they eventually whiped all them out Woah, woah, wait a minute! This isn't known for sure. Any number of factors could have resulted in the decline of the giant allosauroids, which by the way occurred in the south (where they were replaced by abelisaurids) as well as the north. It could have tied in with the decline of their super-sauropod prey, for one. Horridus - Do we have enough data to conclude that the giant Allosauroids declined in South America? My impression was that they were the latest known top predators from there (90 MYA), and that no more recent fossil deposits from South America have been found. It would be fascinating to be able to see whether Tyrannosaurids made it to South America, wouldn't it? Speaking of Alamosaurus - have any Tyrannosaurids been found in the same deposits? Aren't they close enough in time to have encountered one another? |
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Post by arioch on May 3, 2011 18:18:01 GMT
To my limited knowledge, allosaurids - especially in Gondwana- just evolved in Carcharodontosaurids as sauropods got bigger and bigger. Coexisting with Spinosaurids, dromies and Abelisaurids and being eventually replaced by the latter. Carcharodontosaurs in the North like Acrocantho -who already was fairly big- might have coexisted with the first tyrannosars and it seems to me that they couldnt stand the ground against the better suited, growing and thriving coelurosaurians. We know that some enormous, and with enormous I mean Argentinosaurus sized sauropods made it to the K-T, like Puertasaurus in South america and Alamosaurus itself. ;D www.app.pan.pl/article/item/app20100105.html |
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Post by Griffin on May 3, 2011 19:01:12 GMT
The skin impression is from the underside of the base of the tail I believe.
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Post by arioch on May 3, 2011 19:43:24 GMT
I see. Actually, being a coelurosaurian with feathered ancestry theres little reason to believe he should have a skin texture like those less evolved theropods.
Edited with a newer version without belly scales. ;D
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Post by Horridus on May 3, 2011 22:08:11 GMT
Horridus - Do we have enough data to conclude that the giant Allosauroids declined in South America? My impression was that they were the latest known top predators from there (90 MYA), and that no more recent fossil deposits from South America have been found. Au contraire. Carnotaurus is more recent, circa 70 million years ago, maybe even more recent than that. |
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Post by Griffin on May 3, 2011 23:31:16 GMT
Yeah Abielosaurs were filling all the niches in the southern hemisphere that the tyrannosaurs were filling in the north it seems.
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Post by arioch on May 4, 2011 0:44:20 GMT
Apparently, same happened in Europe. I can recall some maastrichtian abelisaurid quite fragmentary fossile being found there (in Spain, i think).
I dont understand why they surpassed carcharodontosaurids, tough. They dont seem more evolved or better suited for nothing more than run faster..
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*Shakes head morosely* ;D
, or with a more judicious means of drawing them without uniformly covering the entire creature. Which is why I mentioned giving a suggestion of scales rather than drawing every individual one, which doesn't mean doing away with them altogether if you happen to enjoy it. 
Just as one might not draw every strand of hair in a human head -- or elsewhere for that matter ;D -- or every filament of every feather on a bird/theropod.
;D
