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Post by arioch on May 22, 2011 15:30:14 GMT
Haha, oh, no, not uncomfortable; I'm merely maintaining the usual semblance of irreproachable delicacy. ;D Maybe I should add some humorous line, sort of like : "Lie back and think of England!" ;D Today I rushed another one, is entirely done this morning. I believe I can finish two more today (I started them 1 week ago, but I usually focus in just one until its done)  A family of Variraptor Mechinorum feed on a Rhabdodon priscus, somewhere in the European cretaceous. This time I opted for a different approach on the plumage, which is a bit owl like, covering also the fingers and with "bushy" eyebrows. Actually the whole excuse of this drawing was to show this concept. Thoughts? |
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Post by Horridus on May 22, 2011 19:36:13 GMT
I never knew that there palms faced outwards. Are there any reconstructions that show this? I got this a bit wrong. (Gimme a break, I was drinking cocktails on someone else's tab last night  ) They actually faced forwards. Quoth Darren Naish in The Great Dinosaur Discoveries: "The upper arm bone, or humerus, is very long and straight, but the lower arm bones - the radius and ulna - are very short and strangely oriented: the radius is located on the outside of the arm instead of the front. Due to the way in which the radius is positioned, the palm of the hand must have faced forwards." (P. 132)  (By Luis Rey. Way too dark, but it's in the Holtz dinopedia I believe. And you can see the hands...just.) See also the skeletal mount here: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Carnotaurus%2C_Chlup%C3%A1%C4%8D_Museum%2C_Prague.jpg |
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Post by arioch on May 22, 2011 20:52:33 GMT
I definitely need a clearer pic to know how to picture them, but I think I can imagine it. How many artists already get this straight? you just brought nitpickingism to a whole new level here. ;D
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Post by Horridus on May 22, 2011 21:21:44 GMT
you just brought nitpickingism to a whole new level here. ;D Ugh, I know, I'm sorry. Your picture is obviously very cool regardless of the extremely minor flaw. As I said before, I wouldn't be spouting all this stuff if your art wasn't worth it. People have often got Carnotaurus wrong over the years. The abelisaurs were very strange dinosaurs. I think Carnotaurus' arm did have a lot of mobility at the shoulder. How much exactly, I'm not sure. Where's Dinoguy gone? |
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Post by arioch on May 23, 2011 18:32:57 GMT
They were pretty weird indeed, ask to Masiakasaurus! ;D And now: Two male Ouranosaurus fighting over a female.  The concept is inspired by Komodo dragons wrestling style. |
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Post by Horridus on May 23, 2011 18:35:29 GMT
I like it! Might want to add some ground, maybe some dust clouds being kicked up in the tussle!
Maybe also some smaller animals fleeing in terror...hmmm, my imagination's running away now...anyway, I think you should develop this one.
EDIT: Aha, I see you've started on the backdrop! Excellent.
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Post by arioch on May 23, 2011 19:36:04 GMT
Fair enough. Thats easy to do and helps to the atmosphere . The small terrified bugs will come in the coloured version, I´m afraid ;D. On the other hand I´m happy with this drawing, and I believe it is quite original. You don´t see big ornithopods wrestling everyday.
Next sketch will be a Linheraptor and is almost finished. I enjoyed doing this one because is like Velociraptor 2.0 with a different plumage. It is catching a zalambdalestes, speaking of litle critters, did they coexist?
Ugh, I need a whole book or at least a glossary about non dinosaur/pterosaur/pliosaur mesozoic fauna. I´m totally out of my element here.
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Post by Horridus on May 23, 2011 20:10:39 GMT
Fair enough. Thats easy to do and helps to the atmosphere . The small terrified bugs will come in the coloured version, I´m afraid ;D. On the other hand I´m happy with this drawing, and I believe it is quite original. You don´t see big ornithopods wrestling everyday. Don't get me wrong, I already love it. That's why I think you should develop it a bit more, make it a fully-formed scene. Then it would be spectacular! ;D |
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Post by arioch on May 24, 2011 6:10:46 GMT
I know! It wasn´t a criticism...to your criticism, but just a thought.  Linheraptor exquisitus, black and white and colour version.  Uploaded with ImageShack.us |
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Post by arioch on May 24, 2011 13:46:26 GMT
This is what I´m currently working on, I´ll let you guess :    I´ll definitely be on vacation after finishing this..... |
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Post by Himmapaan on May 24, 2011 16:07:03 GMT
I'm loving these latest!
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Post by arioch on May 24, 2011 20:54:28 GMT
Thanks Himmappan! I fancied doing something different today...you may call it Paleo- Sci Fi. Some of you might have heard about the "Dinosauroid"... and I have revisited the concept. This is the evolution process from an hipothetical troodontid ancestor called "Omegaraptor" in the Late Mesozoic until the Miocene epoch, when the proto-dinosauroid its already the most intelligent warm blooded animal on earth, able to use tools and build rudimentary structures. And below of it is the ultimate descendant of that intelligent dinobirds, analogue to today homo sapiens: the dinosauroid itself. Apart of the upright posture and opposable thumbs, it developed an elongated hallux to walk more comfortably. Not to mention its human like mental capablities!   |
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Post by Horridus on May 24, 2011 21:07:36 GMT
Why the switch to a vertical posture? I'd say it suffers from the same problems as the original Dinosauroid. But hey, at least it has feathers now. Kinda like the actual modern day dinosaurs ;D
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Post by arioch on May 24, 2011 21:16:03 GMT
Its hard to use the laser weapons against that sorry mammals in the old posture ! ;D
How do you think the guy should look like?
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Post by Horridus on May 24, 2011 21:20:29 GMT
How do you think the guy should look like? I personally think humans are a bit of a fluke of evolution anyway. After all, human intelligence is not an 'end point' of evolution simply because evolution doesn't work that way. However, I think that if reptiles did evolve human intelligence, they wouldn't necessarily end up looking like people. We look the way we do due to the peculiarities of our evolutionary lineage. A 'man-reptile' would probably end up looking more like the reptilian lineage it descended from. |
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Post by arioch on May 24, 2011 21:39:02 GMT
You´re right. Well, this is an homage to the original concept after all. I personally would prefer a more bird-reptile like look. In his book Greg Paul talks briefly about the concept of hipothetical dinosauroids -though he doesn´t use the word- in post mesozoic periods and how they should have to compete with early primates and adapt to eat fruit between other things. Though they probably shouldn´t look too different to the original troodontids, maybe like the 30 MY stage in the first pic. |
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Post by Permiantriassic on May 25, 2011 0:48:03 GMT
really like that dinosauroid |
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Post by DinoLord on May 25, 2011 0:55:10 GMT
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Post by arioch on May 25, 2011 7:58:11 GMT
Yes, I have seen that in Deviant art. Very interesting and a brilliant concept, though I dont know why they have to look exactly like crows ( I believe they should retain their teeth at least; the dromaeosaurid mesozoic lineage never went totally toothless and spawned though more than 100 MY). However I think the old dinosauroid was meant to be a total analogue of modern homo sapiens in all senses: a super intelligent and civilized creature who can create advanced tools and use a complex written language, hence the humanization. Not just a savannah (tribal?) hunter, though this is how they would most likely end up ... Original concept: it is meant to be super intelligent, and humans are the smartest animals around, so lets make a reptilian humanoid. New concept: we know they were very bird like, and crows are the smartest bird around, so... they should end up looking like crows. Both are based in doubtful analogies, though while both might be wrong the former is much more unlikely... |
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Post by EmperorDinobot on May 25, 2011 8:24:42 GMT
Nice work! I think I recently added you to my dA.
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) They actually faced forwards. Quoth Darren Naish in The Great Dinosaur Discoveries:
