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Post by arioch on Aug 17, 2011 19:39:53 GMT
^ They very well could have, but at least in the reconstruction of Stan image, it looks like the animals throat is independent of its dewlap, and the dewlap is more like one you would see on an iguana rather then then a varnid (or crocodilain, or birds) gular pouch. Yeah I noticed that. I shouldnt have underlined the neck muscles so much. I hope it will look better in Sue.  In the Giraffatitan drawing it came out more like a gular pouch, but with a small wattle below. That´s how I ought to do it in future pieces. |
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Post by crazycrowman on Aug 17, 2011 19:51:05 GMT
I've seen a few reconstructions of pterosaurs depicted pelican like that over the years, some of Pteranadon. There are a couple specimens of Pterodactylus & Rhamphorhynchus that indicate the animals had a pelican like throat pouch present. You should do your own! "Yeah I noticed that. I shouldnt have underlined the neck muscles so much. I hope It will look better in Jane. " No need for :/ , Stan looks like he depicted with a dewlap there, which looks cool as well. Its another of those soft tissue "things" like the floppy lips on theropods. One of those things we will/can never really know, and we just have to make the best guesses we can with the evidence we have at hand. These animals might have had dewlaps or gular pouches - maybe even both! My intent was just to hop in and clarify the difference between the 2. BTW - I just went back and looked at the Giraffatitans, and yes, they definitely have a more of a gular pouch look to them. (lovely piece BTW) Either way - keep up the fantastic work! |
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Post by Horridus on Aug 17, 2011 19:58:12 GMT
What do you mean...? (sorry, just wake up from a nap. Stupid summer schedule) I meant that 'Stan' is of the more gracile of the two T. rex morphs identified. It would be a mistake, however, to make (for example) 'Sue' too gracile. |
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Post by arioch on Aug 17, 2011 20:09:55 GMT
Technically is not innacurate, but still not what I intended to do (hence i consider it "wrong"  ). (Jane? What I was thinking? lol) Strangely enough there arent too many depictions of pterosaurs with big pouches. One looks at some big adzarchid skull and lower jaw and its like a big jowl belongs to it. There´s probably some biological reason for that, I´m not precisely an expert in pterosaurs.... |
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Post by arioch on Aug 17, 2011 20:23:51 GMT
What do you mean...? (sorry, just wake up from a nap. Stupid summer schedule) I meant that 'Stan' is of the more gracile of the two T. rex morphs identified. It would be a mistake, however, to make (for example) 'Sue' too gracile. I added a bit of bulk to the legs over the original lines. Maybe I shouldn´t but didn´t look right to me... Otherwise it has the same mass of the Hartmans profile. Being gracile for a T.rex still looks like a bipedal tank to me: fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/065/5/2/a_t__rex_named_stan_by_shartman-d22i4xy.jpgWait to see my adult Ceratosaurus. That will be all the opposite to "gracile". ;D |
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Post by Himmapaan on Aug 17, 2011 23:40:42 GMT
The T.rex is gorgeous (as is the Velociraptor, of course). I love it.  I kept meaning to try drawing a feathered T. rex, but never quite found the right opportunity (til now -- there's something in the works...). Isn't the leg-not-distinctly-defined thing about hadrosaurs? Or are there suggestions that they apply to theropods too now? |
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Post by arioch on Aug 18, 2011 9:34:42 GMT
Great! a fuzzy tyrannosaur done by you must look glorious.  Well, we know of two ground animals of a similar size whose back legs are partially encased in the body: hadrosaurs and...er, elephants. Also hippos or rhinos, although slightly smaller. And it also happens in plucked birds that the thighs aren´t defined: www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Science/Images/Chick1.jpg I suppose this doesnt make a strong evidence (that I´m aware of), but I believe we can guess they weren´t the only cases. I think we should start putting more soft issues to our dinosaur depictions. Most I see are just muscle reconstructions wrapped in thin skin (including most of mine, until now). A typical Greg Paul drawing is a good example. They surely had more bulk than that. Maybe a typical big theropod looked more like this ( I love this guys art btw): fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/180/9/b/jurassic_giant_by_pilsator-d3kgm6r.jpg |
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Post by Himmapaan on Aug 18, 2011 11:26:19 GMT
Ah, yes, I see. *Candle above head*
I'm usually conscious of not wanting to draw skin-shrinkwrapped dinosaurs, though I've always had a tendency to make everything very lean, sinuous or 'graceful' by default, even when I don't mean to. It had long been a trait of mine well before I'd resumed drawing dinosaurs in earnest. More soft tissue doesn't mean it can't still be graceful, of course, but you know what I mean.
That drawing of Pilsator's is beautiful. I think it's quite strongly Greg Paul inspired though (which isn't a bad thing in itself), but I really like the thigh skin. I agree there's good reason to suppose more dinosaurs were similarly constructed. And now, the more I think on it, I wonder why the thought hadn't occurred to more of us sooner? Perhaps because it tends to be more evident in mammals that it got overlooked?
Also, this may only be a mere case of semantics (I can be pedantic like the best of them too, you see ;D), but I think 'encased in the body' might give a misleading impression (as it did to me when a similar phrase was used ;D) of the leg being stuck within bodily flesh, when what we mean is that there is skin extended across from the body to it and concealing its separate definition.
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Post by arioch on Aug 18, 2011 23:51:01 GMT
Oh, well. I just used pilsators phrase (about his Yangchuannosaurus). You sould tell him in the first place.  ;D I´m also forcing myself to paying attention to this soft issue details in my last drawings. Also, I need another technique to do scales which doesnt take days and days, the textures on Stan almost drived me crazy (and doesnt look nearly as good as I expected). Maybe I try something similar to your style in the next ones... |
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Post by arioch on Aug 19, 2011 0:30:47 GMT
Anyway, here are some of the concepts im working on: Spinosaurus and rugops (with an alternative sail structure. I readed somewhere a theory about the sail extending like in Acrocanthosaurus).  Uploaded with ImageShack.usThe heron/Velociraptor.  Uploaded with ImageShack.usStyracosaurus  Uploaded with ImageShack.usChirostenostes  Uploaded with ImageShack.usOrnitholestes as a proto dromaeosaur (which probably could have been)  Uploaded with ImageShack.usAustroraptor stealing a baby Carnotaurus.  Uploaded with ImageShack.usThere are a couple more but I´ll show them once they´re finished. I think they worth it. Discuss! |
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Post by Griffin on Aug 19, 2011 0:43:16 GMT
Whats the reasoning behind the alternate sail structure? The Stan you did is fantastic btw.
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Post by arioch on Aug 19, 2011 0:54:23 GMT
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Post by gwangi on Aug 19, 2011 0:59:02 GMT
Amazing work, I especially like your take on styracosaurus. Seeing all this artwork makes me think I should get back into drawing but I just don't know if I could compare.
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Post by bfler on Aug 19, 2011 5:30:25 GMT
Hm, the Styracosaurus reminds me somehow of a boar.
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 19, 2011 6:10:52 GMT
Very interesting look to the Spinosaur ! I like it ! ;D
The Austroraptor is kinda cool too..I like the baby's expression.. heh heh
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Post by ingenia on Aug 19, 2011 9:42:28 GMT
I really like the design of the chirostenotes.I tried to draw something yesterday and it turned out to be too difficult for me especially cause I know all the good drawings here on the DTF.How long does it take for you to make a drawing like the chiro?
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Post by arioch on Aug 19, 2011 10:08:13 GMT
Amazing work, I especially like your take on styracosaurus. Seeing all this artwork makes me think I should get back into drawing but I just don't know if I could compare. Thanks. I think you should try and don´t worry about other´s work, just follow your own style. I got back into this just a few months ago and you can see how much it has evolved...I´d give it a try at least. I´d like to see your work. Very interesting look to the Spinosaur ! I like it ! ;D The Austroraptor is kinda cool too..I like the baby's expression.. heh heh Wait to see the angry mother chasing them in the background... ;D And well, the analogy with Styraco and boars could be quite right, since those could have been agressive omnivores... I really like the design of the chirostenotes.I tried to draw something yesterday and it turned out to be too difficult for me especially cause I know all the good drawings here on the DTF.How long does it take for you to make a drawing like the chiro? Thanks. You mean how much time took that concept? just a few minutes since I used a Hartman skeletal and I didnt have to think about the pose or anatomy. To finish it completely I guess it could take about 2 hours (I´m focusing in another pieces but I guess I could spend more time in this one). |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 19, 2011 19:21:25 GMT
Man I was going to say you needed to show mom in there chasing them..lol
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Post by Himmapaan on Aug 19, 2011 20:38:26 GMT
Great sketches. Really like the Chirostenotes.
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Post by arioch on Aug 19, 2011 21:43:55 GMT
Thanks! I guess you would given your work with oviraptors. By the way , what is the most accurate estimation on Rugops size? I´m thinking I made it too big, because the Spino is supposed to be an adult (17 meters long). I want to show the sail/hump in all its splendor. I initially depicted the dead Rugops like a 7 meter long theropod. But now depending on the source I read from 6 to 9 meters,so... Also, Spino anatomy needs lot of work: arms size, sail shape (looks nothing like the source I quoted), and probably legs lenght . I´ve seen reconstructions of spino with fairly short legs, I guess based on Suchomimus and Baryonyx. |
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I kept meaning to try drawing a feathered T. rex, but never quite found the right opportunity (til now -- there's something in the works...).
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