ho2
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Post by ho2 on Jun 7, 2011 19:09:04 GMT
I'm sorry if this has been posted or if it isn't in the right section but I was wondering what everyone's thoughts on this new TV show produced by Steven Spielberg coming out this fall on Fox?  Trailer: Plot info from Wikipedia: The show begins in the year 2149, a time when all life on planet Earth is threatened with extinction, (suggested in trailers to be due to dwindling worldwide air quality). In an effort to save the human race, scientists develop a portal allowing travel 85 million years back in time to prehistoric Earth. The Shannon family (father Jim, his wife Elisabeth, and their three children Josh, Maddy and Zoe) join the tenth pilgrimage of settlers to Terra Nova, the first human colony on the other side of the temporal doorway. However, they are unaware that the colony is in the middle of a group of carnivorous dinosaurs. |
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Post by simon on Jun 8, 2011 0:13:34 GMT
Looks like Avatar without the Blue People and with dinosaurs instead. Even has the same main character as the bad guy in Avatar - good choice BTW.
It will probably last one season and hopefully have some neat dino-eye-candy ...
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Jun 8, 2011 8:00:38 GMT
I think it feels more like Jurassic Park..kinda like if people set up a base camp on Isla Sorna.
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Post by roselaar on Jun 8, 2011 13:07:02 GMT
This has been posted before. General consensus seems to be it's gonna suck.
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Jun 18, 2011 4:04:14 GMT
That's only because general people think any prehistoric series or film will suck...the whole Dinosaur = slow, old, boring thing again..  Most dino-related forums I'm on think it has some potential. |
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Post by gwangi on Jun 18, 2011 13:15:44 GMT
What other dino-related forums are out there? I've had a horrible time trying to find them.
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Jun 18, 2011 17:51:35 GMT
Lots of dino-related sites will have a forum section now...two I've been to most recently are JPToys and JPLegacy , they both have forum sections where they discuss dinosaur films and series and in a scientific light.
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Post by arioch on Jun 26, 2011 21:09:44 GMT
I´m pretty confident they chosed South America to not have to show feathered dinosaurs, like dromaeosaurids, thus contradicting JP stuff (though we have Austroraptor, which looks nothing like what people expect from a deadly "raptor" so doesn´t count). In that case I believe a Late Jurassic environment would be more interesting.
Anyway, the Carnotaurus in the trailer looks quite 90´s, oversized and with big arms, so I wouldn´t expect too much accuracy with the other species, they will probably even stick creatures from different times and places together based on their popularity. Lets hope that at least CGI or storyline will be better than in Falling Skies, glups.
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Post by DeadToothCrackKnuckle on Jun 28, 2011 18:25:30 GMT
I've wanted to see this for probably about 6 months now ever since I heard of it. Can't wait to see it!
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Post by Griffin on Jun 28, 2011 21:23:20 GMT
I´m pretty confident they chosed South America to not have to show feathered dinosaurs, like dromaeosaurids, thus contradicting JP stuff (though we have Austroraptor, which looks nothing like what people expect from a deadly "raptor" so doesn´t count). In that case I believe a Late Jurassic environment would be more interesting. Anyway, the Carnotaurus in the trailer looks quite 90´s, oversized and with big arms, so I wouldn´t expect too much accuracy with the other species, they will probably even stick creatures from different times and places together based on their popularity. Lets hope that at least CGI or storyline will be better than in Falling Skies, glups. Unenlagines would have feathers. Will they be in the show? I doubt it. |
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Post by arioch on Jun 28, 2011 22:34:31 GMT
I´m pretty confident they chosed South America to not have to show feathered dinosaurs, like dromaeosaurids, thus contradicting JP stuff (though we have Austroraptor, which looks nothing like what people expect from a deadly "raptor" so doesn´t count). In that case I believe a Late Jurassic environment would be more interesting. Anyway, the Carnotaurus in the trailer looks quite 90´s, oversized and with big arms, so I wouldn´t expect too much accuracy with the other species, they will probably even stick creatures from different times and places together based on their popularity. Lets hope that at least CGI or storyline will be better than in Falling Skies, glups. Unenlagines would have feathers. Will they be in the show? I doubt it. There´s another theropod in the trailer which they shoot at, and unfeathered; if I were to hazard a guess I´d say is a Megaraptor (a name that the audience will like and remember easily) or abelisaurid of some kind. And no I don´t believe there would be dromaeosaurids of any kind... unenlaginaes doesn ´t look "scary" enough for any commercial standard, remember that Spielberg ruled out the real V. mongoliensis for Jurassic Park because their size and body shape didn´t fit his concept of scaly freaky movie monsters and replaced them with oversized Deinonychus with allosauroid traits.. |
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Post by gwangi on Jun 28, 2011 23:03:46 GMT
Unenlagines would have feathers. Will they be in the show? I doubt it. There´s another theropod in the trailer which they shoot at, and unfeathered; if I were to hazard a guess I´d say is a Megaraptor (a name that the audience will like and remember easily) or abelisaurid of some kind. And no I don´t believe they would be dromaeosaurids of any kind... unenlaginaes doesn ´t look "scary" enough for any commercial standard, remember that Spielberg ruled out the real V. mongoliensis for Jurassic Park because their size and body shape didn´t fit his concept of scaly freaky movie monsters and replaced them with oversized Deinonychus with allosauroid traits.. It is my understanding that the reason the dromaeosaurs in Jurassic Park were called velociraptor is because that is what Crichton called the animals in the book. The reason Crichton called them velociraptor is because that is what Gregory Paul considered Deinonychus to be a species of and Crichton used him as a reference. I've actually read Pauls "Predatory Dinosaurs of the World" and indeed, there is much talk of " Velociraptor antirrhopus" in the book. Recently some Terra Nova promo posters have been released, one of them depicts something called a "slasher". It appears to be a fictitious sparsely feathered dromaeosaur. You can see the others here. www.dailyblam.com/news/2011/06/27/new-promo-posters-terra-nova  |
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Post by arioch on Jun 28, 2011 23:40:07 GMT
So they´re not even using real dinosaurs, lol. ;D Now I´m curious about how many fictional species they churn out.
Crichton called them velociraptor in the book because they were indeed Velociraptor Mongoliensis (he even described them with the elongated, narrow crocodile like snout and 6-7 ft long), not Deynonychus/V. antirrhopus or something like that. Even when he mentioned how some scientists were considering to lump all dromaeosaurs in the same genus, the "raptors" of the book def aren´t the same than the movie ones.
(...And even G. Paul eventually regreted such theory , except in the case of Tsaagan or Linheraptor who are almost identical to V. mongoliensis, but that´s beyond the point)
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Post by gwangi on Jun 29, 2011 0:15:34 GMT
Crichton called them velociraptor in the book because they were indeed Velociraptor Mongoliensis (he even described them with the elongated, narrow crocodile like snout and 6-7 ft long), not Deynonychus/V. antirrhopus or something like that. Even when he mentioned how some scientists were considering to lump all dromaeosaurs in the same genus, the "raptors" of the book def aren´t the same than the movie ones. (...And even G. Paul eventually regreted such theory , except in the case of Tsaagan or Linheraptor who are almost identical to V. mongoliensis, but that´s beyond the point) It has been some time since I've read the novel, I don't recall Crichton mentioning the species name but I do recall the velociraptor dig in Montana where V. mongoliensis has not been found. Are you certain V. mongoliensis is what he was aiming for? I do realize that Paul retracted this particular lumping, his current books show this but in "Predatory Dinosaurs" it seems every other dinosaur mentioned is V. antirrhopus and with Paul being a reference for Crichton it would not surprise me if this was the cause of the genus mix up. EDIT: I have no real problem with Terra Nova using fictitious dinosaurs. There are certainly unknown species from that particular time and place so artistic license is alright in my book but did they have to design such a stupid looking creature? |
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Post by arioch on Jun 29, 2011 0:55:13 GMT
Trust me, he did mention the species mongoliensis in the book when talking about the park animals.  Crichton (and Mr. Spielbergo) were very aware of the differences between Deinonychus and Velociraptor, and used respectively the one they prefered. We could say as well that G. Paul is partially guilty of the hideous and persistent image that "Raptors" have in todays pop culture. I mean, the V. antirrhopus thing wasn´t definitely his best idea seeing how it ended... (I´m not really serious here ;D). The "slasher" looks indeed dumb, I hope the animal in the poster is just a caricature of the real model.  |
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Post by gwangi on Jun 29, 2011 2:58:37 GMT
Trust me, he did mention the species mongoliensis in the book when talking about the park animals. Crichton (and Mr. Spielbergo) were very aware of the differences between Deinonychus and Velociraptor, and used respectively the one they prefered. It looks like the wikipedia article supports both of us. " Velociraptor are well-known for their role as vicious and cunning killers in the 1990 novel Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton and its 1993 film adaptation, directed by Steven Spielberg, in which they served as the main antagonists. The "raptors" portrayed in Jurassic Park were modeled after a larger relative, Deinonychus, which Gregory Paul at the time called Velociraptor antirrhopus.[3] The paleontologists in the film and the novel excavate a so-called Velociraptor skeleton in Montana, far from the central Asian range of Velociraptor but well within the range of Deinonychus. A character in Crichton's novel also states that "…Deinonychus is now considered one of the velociraptors", indicating that Crichton used Paul's taxonomy, though the "raptors" in the novel are referred to as V. mongoliensis.[35]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velociraptor |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Jun 29, 2011 8:52:20 GMT
I'm almost certain that isn't the real creature or even a concept image..more like a quick photoshop teaser by some advertising lackey. I know I've seen the base design before as a dromeosaur of some sort..they just photoshopped other bits over it. The creature in the clip I saw had more feathers and was purple/blue colored.  |
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Post by arioch on Jun 29, 2011 11:36:31 GMT
I´ve just read that there will be Brachiosaurus (though in the trailer they look more like Titanosaurs) and ... an 8 feet tall Velociraptor (feathered, yay!) make an appearance in the second episode. I hope this info was gathered by some uneducated member of the crew and the velociraptor is actually an Austroraptor. I REALLY hope it, call me naive.
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Jun 29, 2011 17:50:13 GMT
Most are saying this is prob taking place in South America..hence the Carnotaurus and the Titanosaurs...but if they do start mixing them up I won't complain too much...it's sci-fi after all.
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Post by arioch on Jun 29, 2011 18:19:57 GMT
Yes but even Sci Fi should have some rules and inner coherence. Otherwise it might end up like Lost. ;D Oh, they´ll probably even throw ceratopsians and whatnot in there no matter how much we complain about.
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Crichton (and Mr. Spielbergo) were very aware of the differences between Deinonychus and Velociraptor, and used respectively the one they prefered. 