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Post by Horridus on Jul 20, 2011 16:21:41 GMT
It's a huge leap to believe that superstition (or religion) are the sole arbiters of morality. I do find it a little insulting. But yeah, probably best to relocate this thread if we're going to be talking about stuff like that. Hey, here in the UK we've got a real mish-mash of different believers and unbelievers, and our society hasn't collapsed - it's just as unjust and corrupt as it ever was.  |
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Post by Himmapaan on Jul 20, 2011 16:31:05 GMT
I should add (for what it may be worth) that my opinion of Mr Dawkins only pertains to his level-headed world view. I'm afraid he still falls rather short in that regard for me. But then I'm too willowy a creature, as everyone knows.  Anywho: dinos! I'm often perplexed by those who love modern birds but don't care tuppence for dinosaurs at all! |
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Post by paleofreak on Jul 20, 2011 17:28:26 GMT
I also believe that the history of nations is clear that a unifying belief (...) is THE key glue that holds a society together. I prefer a more diverse, more interesting, more rational, less sticky society. No religion glue, please. I think It's just your belief. |
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Post by simon on Jul 21, 2011 6:16:09 GMT
...Societies that lose this glue find that their moral fibre gradually withers away, and they collapse and are eventually consumed or taken over ... The country right above our country comes to mind Quite right. Ditto for the rest of the communist world. (BTW China has not been a communist country in practice since Deng implemented his reforms. It is an authoritarian country now, but that again is a discussion for another website.) |
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Post by simon on Jul 21, 2011 6:17:05 GMT
I also believe that the history of nations is clear that a unifying belief (...) is THE key glue that holds a society together. I prefer a more diverse, more interesting, more rational, less sticky society. No religion glue, please. I think It's just your belief. Yes, informed by well over 40 years of studying history. |
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Post by simon on Jul 21, 2011 6:18:08 GMT
It's a huge leap to believe that superstition (or religion) are the sole arbiters of morality. I do find it a little insulting. But yeah, probably best to relocate this thread if we're going to be talking about stuff like that. Hey, here in the UK we've got a real mish-mash of different believers and unbelievers, and our society hasn't collapsed - it's just as unjust and corrupt as it ever was. Hmmm ... but then once upon a time there was a British Empire, and now its gone, no? |
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Post by paleofreak on Jul 21, 2011 8:32:51 GMT
Yes, informed by well over 40 years of studying history. But perhaps 40 years of religiously biased study. Who knows? Are there peer-reviewed published works on History patterns supporting your glue hypothesis? |
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Post by arioch on Jul 21, 2011 8:45:24 GMT
I do find it a little insulting. But yeah, probably best to relocate this thread if we're going to be talking about stuff like that. Hey, here in the UK we've got a real mish-mash of different believers and unbelievers, and our society hasn't collapsed - it's just as unjust and corrupt as it ever was. Hmmm ... but then once upon a time there was a British Empire, and now its gone, no? And you want it back? I have to admit that I find your notion of how the civilizated world should be pretty disgusting. |
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jul 21, 2011 10:28:42 GMT
This thread is going off topic. If the off topic discussion must be continued, please take it over to the general section. Thanks. - ADMIN
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Post by simon on Jul 21, 2011 17:39:55 GMT
Hmmm ... but then once upon a time there was a British Empire, and now its gone, no? And you want it back? I have to admit that I find your notion of how the civilizated world should be pretty disgusting. The British colonization of the underdeveloped world ultimately turned out to be one of the noblest endeavors of spreading civilization and democracy in human history. I am sorry if you, as a Britisher, apparently can't take pride in that. You certainly have every right to take pride in it. Without Britain we would not have democracy in the USA, Canada, Australia, India, and the standard of living in many other "Third World" nations would be appreciably worse than it is today. Admin - maybe you can move the thread since the comments are on this one? |
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Post by simon on Jul 21, 2011 17:41:51 GMT
Yes, informed by well over 40 years of studying history. But perhaps 40 years of religiously biased study. Who knows? Are there peer-reviewed published works on History patterns supporting your glue hypothesis? *Chuckle* I think its best we let this thread die now ... |
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Post by Horridus on Jul 21, 2011 17:44:46 GMT
The British colonization of the underdeveloped world ultimately turned out to be one of the noblest endeavors of spreading civilization and democracy in human history. Yes, it is best we let this thread die. By the way, Arioch's not British, but I am. |
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Post by simon on Jul 21, 2011 17:47:36 GMT
The British colonization of the underdeveloped world ultimately turned out to be one of the noblest endeavors of spreading civilization and democracy in human history. Yes, it is best we let this thread die. By the way, Arioch's not British, but I am. The eyes start going first I am afraid! Sorry Horridus! P.S. Yes, some of the commonly held assumptions about dinosaurs do annoy me as well from time to time. There. Now we're "back on topic." |
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Post by simon on Jul 21, 2011 18:10:18 GMT
Yes, informed by well over 40 years of studying history. But perhaps 40 years of religiously biased study. Who knows? Are there peer-reviewed published works on History patterns supporting your glue hypothesis? OK, now that we're in 'General' I'll address this one. Hardly. Most ancient historians whom I particularly have a fondness for were pagans. I do not read or study 'religious history', just history. The observations I make are my own (though certainly shared by many historians as well.) As far as 'peer review', I think you're in the wrong discipline. History books aren't 'peer reviewed'. They are reviewed, and ultimately will sink or swim on their own merits. 'Peer review' (I believe) applies to the way science theories are vetted. History is obviously open to varying interpretations. |
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jul 21, 2011 18:31:57 GMT
Admin - maybe you can move the thread since the comments are on this one?
EDit - I'm aware Sbell moved the thread (and that your second post after my warning was made in general). I've returned the thread as I don't want to set a precedent where threads can be hijacked in this way.
Copy-paste your posts in a new thread in the general section if you must. |
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Post by simon on Jul 21, 2011 18:38:52 GMT
Apologies Dr Admin. I will follow your advice in future.
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jul 21, 2011 18:41:08 GMT
Thanks for your understanding Simon, I appreciate it   |
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Post by mihnea on Jul 25, 2011 11:50:34 GMT
Burn in the flames of Hell thread! ;D
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 10, 2011 18:05:27 GMT
I have a new one...that new Target back to school commercial. The one where the teacher says Dinosaurs are cold-blooded...it's just irritating the heck out of me hearing it over and over again !
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Post by Seijun on Aug 11, 2011 4:24:11 GMT
The other day during lunch break at work I was cleaning off a krentz shapeways alamo and ekrix. A coworker comes in and says "oh cool! A brontosaurus and t-rex!" ;D
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