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Post by bustosdomecq on Oct 14, 2008 5:46:03 GMT
So the t-rex proteins and archaeoraptor are genuine after all?  |
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Post by bustosdomecq on Oct 14, 2008 5:48:15 GMT
Snobbery occurs when one uses the word 'experience' to bash other people's opinions. Especially when the 'experience' is not particularly pertinent in the first place, like citing, say, crows, when talking about tyrannosaur behaviour.
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Post by sbell on Oct 14, 2008 5:57:00 GMT
Thag: Please don't antagonize Piltd...Ziro...H Bustos Domecq .
And Crowman: Please don't get drawn in.
It is not going to change minds, it will lead to angry words and, eventually, nothing. And what's with posting twice to respond to the same message?
In fact, the board has been downright pleasant and non confrontational for quite some time now. Hopefully bringing up Archaeoraptor (alright, we get it, you think that this debacle [plus a few other examples] indicates a falsehood of all dino science that you don't like...) is not enough to change that.
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Post by dinowight on Oct 14, 2008 23:13:19 GMT
So the t-rex proteins and archaeoraptor are genuine after all? I take it you don't go to the Doctor if you're ill. After all, these are the people who gave the world thalidomide, electro-shock therapy and lobotomies... |
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Oct 15, 2008 0:19:00 GMT
Yup, that's all the 'scientist' did. But since we aren't biomechanical engineers sbell thinks we have no right to an opinion! Hmmm. This sounds like a familiar tone. Pilty oh plilty where art thou oh pilty? ;D |
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Post by bustosdomecq on Oct 15, 2008 0:24:00 GMT
So the t-rex proteins and archaeoraptor are genuine after all? I take it you don't go to the Doctor if you're ill. After all, these are the people who gave the world thalidomide, electro-shock therapy and lobotomies... Was I talking about medicine? I was referring to dinosaurologists If this is the way dinosaurologists think, I am hardly surprised they believe there are such things as flying dinosaurs and non-flying pterosaurs |
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Post by sbell on Oct 15, 2008 2:37:39 GMT
Hmmm. This sounds like a familiar tone. Pilty oh plilty where art thou oh pilty? ;D Oh come on--we all know that this is Piltdown--the later use of the word Dinosaurologist is a clear give away. |
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Post by sbell on Oct 15, 2008 2:40:26 GMT
I take it you don't go to the Doctor if you're ill. After all, these are the people who gave the world thalidomide, electro-shock therapy and lobotomies... Was I talking about medicine? I was referring to dinosaurologists If this is the way dinosaurologists think, I am hardly surprised they believe there are such things as flying dinosaurs and non-flying pterosaurs Again, Dinowight (and the rest of the rationals and genials), please stop responding to the trolling. The only thing that HBD--forget, it is Piltdown, and I will call him that--ever responds to is these types of posts, just to rile things up and remind us that he doesn't 'believe' the scientists. Again. |
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Post by tomhet on Oct 15, 2008 2:54:55 GMT
^^^ That kind of sarcasm could be considered as trolling if it offends HBD. And as far as I'm concerned it did.
And it was a pretty stupid comparison, if I may say. Does that make things right? Saying: 'Hey, we screw up. Sorry'? Everybody can make a mistake, but the people involved in these frauds (be it the T-Rex proteins or the Archaeoraptor) were not interested in science, they were interested in publicity. I wonder why everybody fails to see that.
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Post by stoneage on Oct 15, 2008 3:33:58 GMT
^^^ That kind of sarcasm could be considered as trolling if it offends HBD. And as far as I'm concerned it did. And it was a pretty stupid comparison, if I may say. Does that make things right? Saying: 'Hey, we screw up. Sorry'? Everybody can make a mistake, but the people involved in these frauds (be it the T-Rex proteins or the Archaeoraptor) were not interested in science, they were interested in publicity.  And why are they interested in publicity. Because with publicity there is money. The same reason Doctors prescibed Thalimodide. If science is science why isn't it being done properly. Lets rush out TV documentary after documentary before we even know what we are talking about. Lets make all kinds of confusing rules and change some and leave other nonsensicle rules in place. Where is the logic? |
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Post by sbell on Oct 15, 2008 4:09:49 GMT
^^^ That kind of sarcasm could be considered as trolling if it offends HBD. And as far as I'm concerned it did. And it was a pretty stupid comparison, if I may say. Does that make things right? Saying: 'Hey, we screw up. Sorry'? Everybody can make a mistake, but the people involved in these frauds (be it the T-Rex proteins or the Archaeoraptor) were not interested in science, they were interested in publicity. I wonder why everybody fails to see that. I'm personally offended every time the same thing is brought up--hence, my encouragement to ignore the reincarnation--again--of Archaeoraptor and T rex proteins. But that doesn't seem to matter, because I (and others) approach from the scientific side of things. We understand that these people that make errors are individuals; they do not speak for or represent the whole; in fact, their individual errors do not negate their other work (there is a name for that fallacy, but I can't remember it.) Nothing good ever appears to come of this discussion. It's just such an easy vortex to get sucked into. |
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Post by tomhet on Oct 15, 2008 4:36:04 GMT
Well, it's not the protein business only. I find the idea of theropods jumping around and suddenly gaining flight pretty idiotic. I mean, even if that were proven to be correct, it would still seem stupid to me ;D Several paleontologists seem to be distorting facts just to make some pieces fit. The Dilong is a good example. Xu Xing and his gang say that it's a basal tyrannosauroid and everybody swallows it. Fact is, we don't even know exactly what it is. But hey, we already have several heavily feathered turkey-like reconstructions of the T-Rex This is the tendency I'm talking about. And I still don't understand why you feel offended by the discussion. |
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Post by bustosdomecq on Oct 15, 2008 4:40:49 GMT
^^^ That kind of sarcasm could be considered as trolling if it offends HBD. And as far as I'm concerned it did. And it was a pretty stupid comparison, if I may say. Does that make things right? Saying: 'Hey, we screw up. Sorry'? Everybody can make a mistake, but the people involved in these frauds (be it the T-Rex proteins or the Archaeoraptor) were not interested in science, they were interested in publicity. I wonder why everybody fails to see that. I'm personally offended every time the same thing is brought up--hence, my encouragement to ignore the reincarnation--again--of Archaeoraptor and T rex proteins. But that doesn't seem to matter, because I (and others) approach from the scientific side of things. We understand that these people that make errors are individuals; they do not speak for or represent the whole; in fact, their individual errors do not negate their other work (there is a name for that fallacy, but I can't remember it.) Nothing good ever appears to come of this discussion. It's just such an easy vortex to get sucked into. And because you're offended no one should bring up the subject? Or is it because archaeraptor and the t-rex protein fiasco are such indisputable refutations of the claim of dinosaurology to be a genuine science and not a lesser variety of philately? By the way, I use dinosaurology because from reading the papers of scientists in other disciplines who also are interested in the Earth's past, it is apparent that they are more ready to defend their hypotheses with actual evidence. Much unlike the dinosaurologists, who say, "I don't what these are, therefore they must be feathers!", which is a succinct paraphrase of the beipiaosaurus 'feathers' paper by Xu Xing et al. By scientific do you mean everybody who agrees with you is 'scientific' [sic], and everyone who disagrees is a scaly-dinosaur-loving-creationist? Tomhet and stoneage are right--dinosaurology is now more a branch of public relations than of scientific endeavour. This thread is a perfect example of that. |
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Post by thagomizer on Oct 15, 2008 4:53:10 GMT
This is obviously piltdown, so now he's not only trolling, he's using a sock puppet. What do you have to do to get banned around here?
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Post by bustosdomecq on Oct 15, 2008 4:59:04 GMT
This is obviously piltdown, so now he's not only trolling, he's using a sock puppet. What do you have to do to get banned around here? Look who's talking. And how do you define 'trolling', someone who disagrees with your point of view? Is not harmonizing along with the 'birds are dinos' choir suddenly considered "irrational", "ungenial", or otherwise unacceptable behaviour? ONLY Dr A or tomhet can decide to ban me in any case, certainly not you. |
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Post by bustosdomecq on Oct 15, 2008 5:00:36 GMT
I don't know why someone would say that my posts have no value, then express his being 'offended' when I do post If my posts were pointless, irrational, etc. then why should anyone be irked? Is it not rather because what I'm saying is true and irrefutable? Or is archaeoraptor now a genuine non-composite fossil? Or is that bacterial muck now a t-rex blood vessel? Or are those pterosaur wings for decorative purposes only? Or what is dilong -- an 'unquestionable' tyrannosaur in 2004, a coelurosaur in 2007, perhaps a toothy chicken in 2008, what? If I am wrong, answer me then! If not, best to keep silent, eh? |
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Post by Ajax on Oct 15, 2008 5:55:51 GMT
I think they been drinking some dino juice to come up with that one.
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Oct 16, 2008 0:30:50 GMT
If this is the way dinosaurologists think, I am hardly surprised they believe there are such things as flying dinosaurs and non-flying pterosaurs God, every single person who tries to make sense of the past is a complete udder idiot! (and that was sarcasm) And by the way pilty- I thought you said you were never going to make the mistake of joining this forum again.  |
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Post by bustosdomecq on Oct 16, 2008 2:09:24 GMT
If this is the way dinosaurologists think, I am hardly surprised they believe there are such things as flying dinosaurs and non-flying pterosaurs God, every single person who tries to make sense of the past is a complete udder idiot! (and that was sarcasm) Indeed anyone who tries to make sense of the past using doubtful evidence, mistaken and unwarranted assumptions, illogic, and misleading conclusions is indeed a 'complete utter idiot', especially those who contact the media before actually studying the matter at hand, which applies to many dinosaurologists. (Other people who actually ' study the past' don't have the same media access, so the value of their work is ignored. And the non-dinosaurologists have the time to get the work right too, instead of working with a deadline imposed by a National Geographic.) And no I'm not being 'sarcastic' |
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Post by sbell on Oct 16, 2008 2:39:53 GMT
God, every single person who tries to make sense of the past is a complete udder idiot! (and that was sarcasm) Indeed anyone who tries to make sense of the past using doubtful evidence, mistaken and unwarranted assumptions, illogic, and misleading conclusions is indeed a 'complete utter idiot', especially those who contact the media before actually studying the matter at hand, which applies to many dinosaurologists. (Other people who actually ' study the past' don't have the same media access, so the value of their work is ignored. And the non-dinosaurologists have the time to get the work right too, instead of working with a deadline imposed by a National Geographic.) And no I'm not being 'sarcastic' Seriously--this is just pure baiting. Now, complete with insults. But what of the never joining again claim? A different screen name doesn't change that. |
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And why are they interested in publicity. Because with publicity there is money. The same reason Doctors prescibed Thalimodide. If science is science why isn't it being done properly. Lets rush out TV documentary after documentary before we even know what we are talking about. Lets make all kinds of confusing rules and change some and leave other nonsensicle rules in place. Where is the logic? 
