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Post by Seijun on Jan 8, 2012 4:22:31 GMT
I don't think Gal is banned, but his offending posts were removed (EDIT, nevermind - thanks Dex for confirmation, I don't check the announcements section often). I can only hope that he was just having a bad day and that this situation can be worked through, peacefully. He is such a talented person, it would be a shame to loose him. But as I said before, if he is having trouble handling criticism or complaints (he is running a business after all), then I urge him to find a friend to act as a public representative on his part, so that "incidents" like this can be avoided in the future. Even if he did feel threatened by Blade in some way, it didn't need to be brought out in the manner it was.
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Post by sbell on Jan 8, 2012 4:24:12 GMT
Hey folks--a Moderator here.
I don't know what went down. I never saw any of the posts. More to the point, I don't care. Ooh and Aah at the pictures. Give critiques on style, colours, pose, etc if you have them. Perhaps a discussion of postal mishaps and packaging recommendations could be in order somewhere else (I know I have had issues as a sender and receiver--it can happen. I have some Dinotales on their way out right now, and it always gives me heartburn).
Whatever went down between two people is between them. It sounds like it was an unfortunate situation. If you want more info, we have a private message system. Keep the comments off the forum now and ask in private. Please.
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Jan 8, 2012 11:42:32 GMT
ADMIN - For everyone's info, I deleted a single post by Galileo from this thread (the rest of this thread remains intact) and I deleted two new threads started by Galileo. All three contained direct personal attacks, and that's what the ban was for.
As for the topic at hand, I don't think it is for us mods to say what should and shouldn't be discussed in public. That's up to our members. As long as discussions are polite, cordial and don't break any forum rules, I have no problem.
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Post by amanda on Jan 8, 2012 12:43:44 GMT
Hmm. Call me crazy, but is there not a feedback thread in the classified section that would be more suited to an extended discussion like this?
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Post by sbell on Jan 8, 2012 14:18:02 GMT
ADMIN - For everyone's info, I deleted a single post by Galileo from this thread (the rest of this thread remains intact) and I deleted two new threads started by Galileo. All three contained direct personal attacks, and that's what the ban was for. As for the topic at hand, I don't think it is for us mods to say what should and shouldn't be discussed in public. That's up to our members. As long as discussions are polite, cordial and don't break any forum rules, I have no problem. I didn't mean to determine what should be said or not--however, the discussion was pretty much focused on what happened between Galileo and Blade, and was probably suited for a more on-topic thread elsewhere. Hmm. Call me crazy, but is there not a feedback thread in the classified section that would be more suited to an extended discussion like this? You are crazy ;D but yes there is a feedback thread for this sort of thing. |
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Post by mmfrankford on Jan 8, 2012 16:51:14 GMT
Wow, I somehow missed all of this. I've talked in the past with both Blade and Galileo, they both seem like great guys to deal with. I hope all of this was just a big misunderstanding.
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Post by Himmapaan on Jan 8, 2012 17:19:48 GMT
Frankly, I'm bewildered there was ever any suggestion of Blade's having purposefully chosen to attack Galileo. That was never how I understood it at all. I'm even more astonished by the choice of words like 'revenge'. What in heaven's name?  I don't regard that there was anything personal in any of the foregoing discussions. The facts of the matter were stated after being questioned -- without any anger. There were no insults and no attacks, direct or implied. Anything pertaining to the quality of the model itself and to Galileo's art has been highly complimentary. I agree wholly with Seijun and Totoro. I politely suggest a re-reading of their comments and this entire thread if there is any confusion. Before any dubious suggestion of my 'taking sides' occurs ( :  , for the record, I myself have bought from Galileo with no problems and admire his talent enormously. I only know Blade from this forum and have no personal investment to be gained in demonstrating any 'bias' towards him. |
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Post by simon on Jan 8, 2012 17:25:20 GMT
You know, thinking about this again, (I saw Galileo's post and the 2 threads he started attacking Blade), and considering they were posted at about 1:30 AM, or maybe 1230 AM Galileo's time - I think he may be a timezone earlier that here in California - I am starting to wonder if alcohol might have been involved on his end ..... it does tend to make some people very grumpy and 'loosens the tongue' ...
... maybe he was upset that Blade sent the model to Martin instead of returning it ...
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Post by DinoLord on Jan 8, 2012 17:40:50 GMT
But then he mentioned some klownzilla project in the threads. So maybe there's a side of the story we're not seeing. Or it could indeed be alcohol. The night the threads appeared I had a terrible bout of insomnia, and it was in the wee hours of the morning where I was (the East Coast).
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Post by kevtk135 on Jan 8, 2012 17:46:02 GMT
You know, thinking about this again, (I saw Galileo's post and the 2 threads he started attacking Blade), and considering they were posted at about 1:30 AM, or maybe 1230 AM Galileo's time - I think he may be a timezone earlier that here in California - I am starting to wonder if alcohol might have been involved on his end ..... it does tend to make some people very grumpy and 'loosens the tongue' ... ... maybe he was upset that Blade sent the model to Martin instead of returning it ... A newbie to the forum here and you can tell me to go back to newbie lurker mode, but I don't think this speculation is fair. IMHO w/o Galileo here to defend himself I think the thread should be locked down. We all agree it's a good looking model, with an awesome repair and paint up, and the shipping could have been better. Things can only degrade from here. Okay back to newbie-land. ;-) |
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Post by totoro on Jan 8, 2012 17:48:54 GMT
Hmm. Call me crazy, but is there not a feedback thread in the classified section that would be more suited to an extended discussion like this? Well, the discussion "evolved"  from Blade's proud display of his beautiful "new" piece of art. I still think it was a healthy discussion, for the most part, but you're right Amanda, the latter part of it became, basically, a feedback discussion, and that would be perfect for the feedback thread. In fact, your comment reminds me that I owe several forum members formal feedback (alliteration, anyone?) for the wonderful creations I've received over the last year. I'm going to head over there today and do that, starting with Galileo, who was a pleasure to deal with on my first purchase, and set new standards for meticulously wrapping a kit I purchased from him last spring. Thank you Niroot, for your reliably sage perspective. Well, I don't think the thread should be locked down, but agree that we should all realize that it is unfair to Galileo and Blade to speculate about what happened or why. Only they can share those details, and for the moment, we'll have to let that go. I hope Galileo is able to return to the forum and a constructive discussion results. We're all human. |
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Post by simon on Jan 8, 2012 23:06:53 GMT
DinoLord - Yes, I got the impression that Blade had commissioned him to do something called "klownzilla", and that after this Acrocanthosaurus business Galileo returned the money and refused to do the commission.
There was also a cryptic reference to "leave my family alone", whatever that meant. Maybe Blade tried calling him
In any event now he's gone and its too bad. I wish this thread had never been started.
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Post by amanda on Jan 8, 2012 23:57:16 GMT
I don't think any member of this board needs to regret anything. Blade showed his piece, and commented on the breakage. He was asked further details. Nothing wrong there.
As a consumer, we have a right to express displeasure of a product. You complain if you get bad food. You can leave negative feedback on e-bay. It is a basic thing. Blade did not do any of that, he just displayed the piece and explained it's condition. A perfectly normal thing for this forum.
As to any personal conflict..I have no clue, and have no desire to know. That stuff should be handled via PM, or e-mail. So, digging out the "mystery" is of no interest to me.
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Post by dinonikes on Jan 9, 2012 1:45:06 GMT
I think the whole thing is a shame- I chimed in earlier in the thread before the unfortunate developments, trying to share packing info/experience I have had, and hope that my input was not taken as a criticism of Galileo's packing methods, just wantedto share info which is what forums are supposed to be all about, and I really think that Blade was posting in that sort of spirit. I think that Blade may have hinted a bit at some underlying situation with his original posting, but really think the original intention was to just show the final paint job on the model, and maybe should have just asked to be PMed in respones to the inquiry regarding why the model had been repainted, but that is hindsight. I think it is a shame because I know that Blade has always been one of Galileo's biggest fans and supporters. I remember years ago him telling me about roostercat on Deviant and how excited he was by the works he saw and subsequently shared with me-and it was Blade who created the first thread on this forum that was posted to showcase Galileo's work, I believe even before Galileo joined the forum, although I could be remembering wrong about that last detail. If you have had any contact with Blade you know that he is very into his passions, and gets very excited by ideas and seems to want to participate somehow by interacting- some may not share his passions, but they are no reason to mock them as was done. I am not trying to take any sides here , just sharing my reactions to the threads spiral down the toilet. I have had both Blade and Galileo as FB friends, and have seen over the past year how Blade has shared his praise, critiques, suggestions and ideas with Galileo through their postings there, and how much interaction there had been between them with their postings there. I dont know any details of what led to this breakdown between them, but it is sad to see.
I know firsthand how hard it is to be an artist trying to make some kind of living off one's talent, I do not know much at all about Galileo personally, I know he has a wife and kids to support, and that he must feel the pressures that all artists do to succeed. Creating art can take a lot out of you, there is reward, and hopefully some compensation for your efforts. I saw the posts that led to Galileo's ban and knew that he would suffer that fate- have seen it happen to others here through the years and it is always sad to see happen, but Adam needs to keep the atmosphere here friendly and safe for all members, that is why there are rules.
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Post by totoro on Jan 9, 2012 3:09:46 GMT
I think the whole thing is a shame- I chimed in earlier in the thread before the unfortunate developments, trying to share packing info/experience I have had, and hope that my input was not taken as a criticism of Galileo's packing methods, just wantedto share info which is what forums are supposed to be all about, and I really think that Blade was posting in that sort of spirit. I think that Blade may have hinted a bit at some underlying situation with his original posting, but really think the original intention was to just show the final paint job on the model, and maybe should have just asked to be PMed in respones to the inquiry regarding why the model had been repainted, but that is hindsight. I think it is a shame because I know that Blade has always been one of Galileo's biggest fans and supporters. I remember years ago him telling me about roostercat on Deviant and how excited he was by the works he saw and subsequently shared with me-and it was Blade who created the first thread on this forum that was posted to showcase Galileo's work, I believe even before Galileo joined the forum, although I could be remembering wrong about that last detail. If you have had any contact with Blade you know that he is very into his passions, and gets very excited by ideas and seems to want to participate somehow by interacting- some may not share his passions, but they are no reason to mock them as was done. I am not trying to take any sides here , just sharing my reactions to the threads spiral down the toilet. I have had both Blade and Galileo as FB friends, and have seen over the past year how Blade has shared his praise, critiques, suggestions and ideas with Galileo through their postings there, and how much interaction there had been between them with their postings there. I dont know any details of what led to this breakdown between them, but it is sad to see. I know firsthand how hard it is to be an artist trying to make some kind of living off one's talent, I do not know much at all about Galileo personally, I know he has a wife and kids to support, and that he must feel the pressures that all artists do to succeed. Creating art can take a lot out of you, there is reward, and hopefully some compensation for your efforts. I saw the posts that led to Galileo's ban and knew that he would suffer that fate- have seen it happen to others here through the years and it is always sad to see happen, but Adam needs to keep the atmosphere here friendly and safe for all members, that is why there are rules. Well said Malcolm, thanks for sharing that perspective. Obviously most here hope that the relationship can be salvaged and Galileo will join us again here. Not trying to nudge the Mr Admin ;D, but this seems like a 'forgive and forget - let's move forward' kind of group. As for your packing comments, I really appreciate them. As I mentioned to start this whole fiasco, I was interested in the packing details as I have a finished piece coming from Galileo as a gift from my wife. Since my piece has not yet shipped, I showed her the thread (before it degenerated so badly) and she made a subtle request to Galileo to please pack the figure in bubblewrap or newspaper to protect from damage caused by shifting during shipment. She did not mention the thread, to avoid touching any nerves, but recounted her experiences with expensive Asian ball-jointed dolls that she collects as the reason to take the extra precaution. We'll see how things go. I will be the first to give Galileo a positive review if my figure arrives in good shape!  |
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Post by dex on Jan 9, 2012 13:45:23 GMT
I don't know why you keep speculating, Galileo is not here to respond to any of this posts, why the insistance? If you're so interested in his reasons, contact Galileo to know more about his personal problem with Blade and his reaction. Kevtk135 is right.
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Post by amanda on Jan 9, 2012 14:28:16 GMT
Well, that IS true. But I only comment on the retailer/consumer bit. Blade received damaged goods, and he has a right to discuss that. He did not blame anyone at first, he simply responded to why it was repainted. He only got further into it to discuss packing issues, which is a valid conversation for anyone here who might be considering such an expensive purchase. The reaction of the retailer, and further issues are just as valid. These guys have an absolute right to hear that info before buying. I do not feel sorry for Galileo. He has ads in PT, and everywhere else. He has positioned himself both as a pro, and a retailer. That means his customers have every right to express their opinions of his product, whether good or bad. The fact that Galileo is/was a member here is not important. We as members are not having to tip-toe around and be quiet just because several of the artists are now members and reading this stuff. It is all a part of doing business.
I have not seen Galileo's posts, but I do see Blades, and I see no malice or intent. Nor do I see him directly addressing the artist. I see other members here doing so. And Galileo himself apparently did so in a ver personal way. On his part, that was VERY unprofessional. I will never consider a piece by him, thanks to this incident. I like my retailers to act in a business like manner.
As for the recent speculation, sure, it is one sided, and really has no place in this thread. But, that is not Blade's fault, as I do not see him responding any further in this thread.
I guess I feel that since Galileo put himself out there as a business, he has to take the lumps with the praise, same as any other business does.
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Post by dinonikes on Jan 9, 2012 14:39:34 GMT
I don't know why you keep speculating, Galileo is not here to respond to any of this posts, why the insistance? If you're so interested in his reasons, contact Galileo to know more about his personal problem with Blade and his reaction. Kevtk135 is right. I disagree- I think that the reactions by members of the board to this are natural human nature, given the situation, and should not be criticised or stifled just because someone might find the topic a little uncomfortable. I think that those members who have posted reactions to the situation have not posted anything that would require anyone to defend against, they have just been posting their feelings to a bad situation.I posted myself because it made me feel sad to see such a degeneration between the two and had just noticed the thread full of posted reactions..You could argue it is no one else's business, but it was made public by the two posting in this forum and I think members have the right to react to it, even if that includes a little speculation. Galileo and Blade are both well known posters here and members who stumble upon this thread or hear through Adam's post that Galileo was banned, of course they have a desire to talk about it, that is what forums are for- duscussion. I dont like the suppression of someone wanting to talk about something, as long as they feel the need and so long as they are civil about it and do not spread rumours or act in a libelous way. Galileo is not here to defend himself because, frankly,he was banned due to losing it for whatever reason and posting very inappropriate materials for a public forum. I do hope that this all can be resolved between the two down the road, and whether it is or not IS no ones business.I think it is healthier to allow some discussion of the issue here rather than to have people contact Galileo and possibly antagonize the situation. The details of what happened between the two of them are no ones business, I know I have no desire to know those details. |
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Post by amanda on Jan 9, 2012 14:49:26 GMT
Exactly.
My only interest here was in the customer/retailer aspect. Whatever personal stuff went on behind the scenes is completely personal, and not relevant, except perhaps as indication of this retailer's way with dealing with dissatisfied customers.
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Post by takama on Jan 28, 2012 2:07:51 GMT
just hoppeing in to say that
"I like the Acro bulid up, Blade"
now i hop out to avoid being singed in the firestorm
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, for the record, I myself have bought from Galileo with no problems and admire his talent enormously. I only know Blade from this forum and have no personal investment to be gained in demonstrating any 'bias' towards him.
from Blade's proud display of his beautiful "new" piece of art. I still think it was a healthy discussion, for the most part, but you're right Amanda, the latter part of it became, basically, a feedback discussion, and that would be perfect for the feedback thread. In fact, your comment reminds me that I owe several forum members formal feedback (alliteration, anyone?) for the wonderful creations I've received over the last year. I'm going to head over there today and do that, starting with Galileo, who was a pleasure to deal with on my first purchase, and set new standards for meticulously wrapping a kit I purchased from him last spring. 
