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Post by 0onarcissisto0 on Feb 13, 2012 16:21:31 GMT
Yeah, it would be unfair to Jon otherwise. I remember copper posting a negative feedback for Jon Rader on the Feedback thread, but I think he did get his money back.
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Post by raderstudios on Feb 13, 2012 16:28:54 GMT
Hello all,
I feel that I need to step in here. The order that he is referring to was purchased through Dan's DInosaurs, to be shipped by me. I did, indeed, ship the kits (albeit a little late), only to have them returned to me (about a month later) due to some postal error. By that point, Copper was already understandably upset, and I offered to include a bonus kit in the subsequent shipment. I'm not sure if that has arrived yet, as I don't have tracking on it.
To my understanding, though, Dan has given Copper a store credit on the purchase, so he shouldn't have lost any money. Copper, if you have indeed lost money, please let me know and I will refund it. Also, please let me know if you ever see the kits, as I'd like to get your feedback on them. I know that my customer service has left a lot to be desired, but I do hope that you will at least be happy with the final product!
-Jon
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Post by copper on Feb 13, 2012 19:16:23 GMT
Hello all, I feel that I need to step in here. The order that he is referring to was purchased through Dan's DInosaurs, to be shipped by me. I did, indeed, ship the kits (albeit a little late), only to have them returned to me (about a month later) due to some postal error. By that point, Copper was already understandably upset, and I offered to include a bonus kit in the subsequent shipment. I'm not sure if that has arrived yet, as I don't have tracking on it. To my understanding, though, Dan has given Copper a store credit on the purchase, so he shouldn't have lost any money. Copper, if you have indeed lost money, please let me know and I will refund it. Also, please let me know if you ever see the kits, as I'd like to get your feedback on them. I know that my customer service has left a lot to be desired, but I do hope that you will at least be happy with the final product! -Jon yes, neither the second packet arrived. i was upset because i feared i had lost my money, and it was late to try a refund via paypal. then dan indeed offered the store credit and i purchased other resin kit sculpted by michael trcic. perhaps i should have given more details in my previous post, i have no sour feelings towards jon, i just felt i should tell my experience with jon and galileo as others shared theirs too. |
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Post by raderstudios on Feb 13, 2012 19:28:01 GMT
Copper, thank you for clearing things up! I just wanted to let you know that your situation is a big part of the reason that I have decided to seek other options for my shipping. I try to do my best, but I simply don't have time to keep on top of things the way I should. That being said, I am still committed to getting your kits to you, even if I have to have Dan or Mike ship them.
Cheers,
Jon
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Post by copper on Feb 13, 2012 20:12:33 GMT
Copper, thank you for clearing things up! I just wanted to let you know that your situation is a big part of the reason that I have decided to seek other options for my shipping. I try to do my best, but I simply don't have time to keep on top of things the way I should. That being said, I am still committed to getting your kits to you, even if I have to have Dan or Mike ship them. Cheers, Jon no problem, it's all good! i hope in the future i can own few of your beautiful sculpts! |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Feb 13, 2012 22:05:25 GMT
Perhaps we need a separate board altogether for feedback of that kind. I know from a model horse collector forum I'm a member of where such a system is employed. A new thread is started for each member and the feedback for them is left in the comments. That way we'd be able to refer directly to whichever member we're looking for. Would this idea sound feasible to Dr Admin at all? I have to say this sounds like a great idea and something I think should also be implemented. It would at least help out here..though it could also be a good place to direct people to that are curious about them. I never use the feedback thread because it is such a mess . Maybe some sort of point system could be added to people who buy and sell here as well ? If a deal works out they each get a point or something ? Anything to boost confidence in buying, selling and trading. Copper, Jon I hope you don't mind me using your exchange as an example, but that outcome, both parties working it out and happy is exactly what we need here. Finding and responding to a random feedback didn't help much..but a place/ thread where each party can talk and exchange can be even more beneficial. |
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Post by Himmapaan on Feb 13, 2012 22:41:08 GMT
Perhaps we need a separate board altogether for feedback of that kind. I know from a model horse collector forum I'm a member of where such a system is employed. A new thread is started for each member and the feedback for them is left in the comments. That way we'd be able to refer directly to whichever member we're looking for. Would this idea sound feasible to Dr Admin at all? I have to say this sounds like a great idea and something I think should also be implemented. It would at least help out here..though it could also be a good place to direct people to that are curious about them. I never use the feedback thread because it is such a mess . Maybe some sort of point system could be added to people who buy and sell here as well ? If a deal works out they each get a point or something ? Anything to boost confidence in buying, selling and trading. Copper, Jon I hope you don't mind me using your exchange as an example, but that outcome, both parties working it out and happy is exactly what we need here. Finding and responding to a random feedback didn't help much..but a place/ thread where each party can talk and exchange can be even more beneficial. Yes, I think exchanges of that kind can take place exactly in the threads for the relevant members if we had that board. It's transparent and easily referenced. I'm less sure about the points as we may not know what to measure them by. A member may have made only one transaction and have only one point, but they wouldn't necessarily be less commendable than another member with ten. The feedback left for them would serve amply, I think. |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Feb 13, 2012 23:17:04 GMT
I have to say this sounds like a great idea and something I think should also be implemented. It would at least help out here..though it could also be a good place to direct people to that are curious about them. I never use the feedback thread because it is such a mess . Maybe some sort of point system could be added to people who buy and sell here as well ? If a deal works out they each get a point or something ? Anything to boost confidence in buying, selling and trading. Copper, Jon I hope you don't mind me using your exchange as an example, but that outcome, both parties working it out and happy is exactly what we need here. Finding and responding to a random feedback didn't help much..but a place/ thread where each party can talk and exchange can be even more beneficial. Yes, I think exchanges of that kind can take place exactly in the threads for the relevant members if we had that board. It's transparent and easily referenced. I'm less sure about the points as we may not know what to measure them by. A member may have made only one transaction and have only one point, but they wouldn't necessarily be less commendable than another member with ten. The feedback left for them would serve amply, I think. True. Though I was thinking of sellers like myself as well and those others that sell in the classifieds section here..some kind of rating system. I have a lot of experience in the years I've been on eBay...but it's hard to show that. |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Feb 14, 2012 7:01:25 GMT
Woah...that's terrible to hear Julien..I remember you were the guy who first posted his Jurassic Park models on JP Legacy for us to enjoy and led me to him. It's a shame he treats customers and friends like that.
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Post by simon on Feb 14, 2012 8:07:30 GMT
Hmmm...I understand that English is not your first language, so I re-read your post a few times and I think I figured it out.
So you are saying that Legacy or some other company was using Galileo's models to have you create CGI versions of the animals for use in a TV program/movie?
Very interesting. If that is right, can I humbly ask what the movie is and when we can expect to see it? The more dino movies the better....
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Post by dinonikii on Feb 14, 2012 14:49:45 GMT
Julien Romeo used Galileo's sculptures, scanned then without permission to create a demo reel and not even credit him for the using of his sculptures ( Galileo's sculptures) is that fair?, Hes taking all the credit.
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Post by dinonikii on Feb 14, 2012 14:53:40 GMT
Woah...that's terrible to hear Julien..I remember you were the guy who first posted his Jurassic Park models on JP Legacy for us to enjoy and led me to him. It's a shame he treats customers and friends like that. Treat what friends and what costumers, pls speak clear in order to dont have, have you been involved in this situation. Do you know all the details?. If not pls stay away from the situation cause you could be adding more wood to the fire. Thats not helpful. Thanks. |
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Post by dinonikes on Feb 14, 2012 15:36:07 GMT
Julien Romeo used Galileo's sculptures, scanned then without permission to create a demo reel and not even credit him for the using of his sculptures ( Galileo's sculptures) is that fair?, Hes taking all the credit. I saw the video Galileo posted on facebook(it is a JP reel full of 3Dmodeling and computer generated JP critters and compound buildings etc.), and saw the angry post he attached to the posted you tube link-there is a lot of irony in this sItuation, and not being involved at all, and not really knowing either party(only know Galileo through seeing his work, do not know him at all personally- my only direct contact with him was a botched attempt to trade with him- I offered to take photos of the Juvie Ceratosaur skeleton that they have in Kenosha in exchange for a kit he was talking of sculpting a life size juvie cerato online-I took the train up there, had to transfer trains once, took a lot of photos that as an artist I knew would be helpful for sculpting and took the train back home-an all day trip really-I emailed him a lot of photos but never received the promised kit-I am not one to point fingers when it comes to taking a long time to get product to someone, but I always do get it there eventually) I think I want to give an out side artist's perspective- First Galileo unwittingly is promoting this guy's demo reel by posting it for him on facebook so that I find ironic- I think that the whole thing brings up a question I have with JP fan art in general- isnt it just bootlegging? JP is a movie franchise that has had a lot of merchandising of many different products all licensed by the movie makers I would imagine. When artists make their own kits and sculptures to sell for profit, without written consent from the movie makers, isnt it just bootlegging? I am not sure of the laws here, but it seems that for example if I were to make say draw artwork and make T-Shirts of a band and sell them for profit I am considered a bootlegger- if I were to record a cover version of a song by another band and issue it without them getting royalties it is unlawful- I find it sort of ironic that Galileo is upset at this guy scanning his sculptures and using them as starting points for his 3d modeling- Galileo did not come up with the designs for these JP dinos the artists involved in the movies spent many hours I am sure working out the designs, all he did was copy these designs, they were not his original works-it would be like me copying say Renoir or VanGogh paintings and getting upset that someone used them without my permission-I do not have the rights to these painted images I copied-I think it is the same with the JP sculpted copies-I do not think he has the rights to these images to begin with-I may be wrong, I am just talking about an abstract idea regarding rights of artworks |
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Post by tyrantqueen on Feb 14, 2012 16:12:38 GMT
Does Galileo claim his works to be official JP dinosaurs? Or are they just inspired/based on the designs? Many dinosaur companies, especially Papo, take an obvious influence from JP, but they're not bootlegs. They can get away with it as long they don't claim it as such.
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Post by dinonikes on Feb 14, 2012 16:37:36 GMT
Does Galileo claim his works to be official JP dinosaurs? Or are they just inspired/based on the designs? Many dinosaur companies, especially Papo, take an obvious influence from JP, but they're not bootlegs. They can get away with it as long they don't claim it as such.
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I was talking about JP fan art in general really, using Galileos as an example- I know he doesnt claim thay are 'official JP pieces' but I am not sure that matters-as far as the T-shirt example I used above, I know that even if you do not claim to be selling 'official' band t-shirts, they will shut you down if they find you selling them-I know that in the fine art world, if you make an exact copy of another artists painting as an exercise it is ok, but to sell it you must ethically, and legally I think, make it a different size and you have to sign it so it wont be resold later as the real thing. I wonder at a lot of these JP pieces floating around in the hobby world, they are usually trying to be exact copies of the design of JP stuff- someone could resell it later as some sort of movie prop or model- I have worked as a commercial artist for a number of years and have seen artists get into trouble copying other artists works or using trademarked imagery without permission- I think most artists will get away with it- companies dont have the time to go after every artist out there making garage kits- its just something I wonder about- Papo doeasnt seem to make exact copies of the JP dinos, just seem to work 'in the style of' JP- I certainly didnt mean to say one way or the other if these sorts of artworks are bootlegs, just wondering what the laws are- there are a lot of superhero kits and such that I wonder about as well-anyways I am done derailing this thread-
I like the CM models alot- I have always admired a few of them since discovering their work online
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Post by giu3232 on Feb 14, 2012 16:46:07 GMT
First, the guy knew I will scan the maquettes, I PAYED THEM 40 to 50 % more than the price he show on his website because of that.
He knew it, secondly I always gave him credit but when I saw he swindled me taking my money through paypal IN SEPTEMBER 2010 ( one year and a half ago) and NEVER sent me my two models or sending me a refund I though I will just credit him in the commentary.
The guy post a lot of bad thing about me but I credited him to the real workers of Jurassic Park during my two visits of Legacy Effects AND during my visit of ILM AND when I meet Steven Spileberg I gave him my work with inside the work of Galileo with his name adress and phone.
That's not a credit, to gave his work to Steven Spielberg?
Since 6 months the guy just make me problems, and that's all, his ego want full credit for computer generated models when less than 1 % of his maquette is use to make them.
I credited him for what he made and yet I was good with him after all the comment he made about me and all the people he sent to me telling them to insult me as he did with David.
Before to talk, buy from him wait one year and a half, cry for you 500 USD, ask for you model and get no answer, then spend all the day deleting injurious post on you facebook and youtube channel thanks to him and know who Galileo really is.
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Post by simon on Feb 14, 2012 17:50:51 GMT
Just d*mn! What a soap opera.
Can anyone post the link to this youtube video y'all are referencing? I'd like to see the CGI dinos....
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Post by 0onarcissisto0 on Feb 14, 2012 18:21:27 GMT
Aw, man. This is getting out of hand. I've never had dealings with Galileo, but he sure has been in the middle of numerous problems (not necessarily implying that he is always the cause). I obviously don't know the whole story, but I must admit that what giu3232 has said here isn't all that surprising. It's good to hear his side of the story. Sorry to hear about all your troubles giu3232.  Now, if only we could get Galileo's...oh right, he was banned for bad conduct...go figure. I, for one, am really glad I've stayed clear of geenemodels. I'm trying really hard not to talk ill of anyone, but, I'm sorry, guys. It does frustrate me to hear all these customers being taken advantage of. |
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Post by 0onarcissisto0 on Feb 14, 2012 18:24:46 GMT
Anyway, forget my last comment. To get back on topic, Brian Page just emailed me saying my kit will ship this week. If this really is true then 1) I am super excited  2) It will have only taken a month! Do I really think it's true? I don't know yet, but I am apprehensive about getting my hopes up |
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Post by Radman on Feb 14, 2012 18:28:16 GMT
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Now, if only we could get Galileo's...oh right, he was banned for bad conduct...go figure.
