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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Jan 4, 2009 3:02:29 GMT
Yes, snake skin is pretty fragile. When I was little, I caught a garter snake, and the skin on the back just tore for some reason.
And Phelsuma geckos have "keratin" scales, and they probably have the weakest skin of all geckos- You can barely hold them without their skin ripping.
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Post by ningishzida on Jan 4, 2009 7:02:53 GMT
Yes, snake skin is pretty fragile. When I was little, I caught a garter snake, and the skin on the back just tore for some reason. And Phelsuma geckos have "keratin" scales, and they probably have the weakest skin of all geckos- You can barely hold them without their skin ripping. That's because those animals are so small, and are preyed on by bigger, stronger animals. If you were as small as a gecko or garter snake your skin would be far, far, weaker and thinner than a gecko or garter snake. If that gecko were as big as you, i doubt you would be able to scratch it because its skin would be incredibly tough. Keratin is one of the toughest organic substances in the world and reptilian skin is covered with it. These are scientific facts..... that's just the way it is.
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Post by stoneage on Jan 4, 2009 18:30:43 GMT
;D And what was Dragon skin like. ;D
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Post by tetonbabydoll on Jan 4, 2009 22:00:10 GMT
I don't think we need that do we? Look, I have presented what I could find. I have talked privately to someone who knows to see if I missed anything. my answer was no, that what could be presented was. So. Barring new discoveries, we can only look at what we have now and form our own opinions. We are never going to come close to an agreement here. I have already lost it, and others may too. It is getting too heated, and going nowhere, and other members, and certainly other guests, are starting to be affected negatively. I say we try to call a truce, and stop baiting each other. If y'all want to keep on the subject, whatever. But there is no other evidence to discuss or present, so we are just all arguing about our interpretations and opinions now, and it has gotten silly, IMHO.
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Post by Tyrannax on Jan 4, 2009 23:12:10 GMT
Mosasaurs obviously had tough scales as a defense mechanism against other marine reptiles. I admit geckos have soft skin compared to other reptiles, but think about it. Almost every gecko can climb almost any surface, and are quite good at escaping danger. They have detachable tails, quick speed, the ability to climb. Why have armor when you can outrun your attacker? Most reptiles, such as Crocodiles, have outrageously tough skin because they fight all the time. Even Bearded Dragons fight, and aren't so fast.
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Post by stoneage on Jan 5, 2009 2:04:38 GMT
Mosasaurs obviously had tough scales as a defense mechanism against other marine reptiles. I admit geckos have soft skin compared to other reptiles, but think about it. Almost every gecko can climb almost any surface, and are quite good at escaping danger. They have detachable tails, quick speed, the ability to climb. Why have armor when you can outrun your attacker? Most reptiles, such as Crocodiles, have outrageously tough skin because they fight all the time. Even Bearded Dragons fight, and aren't so fast. ;D How do you know Mososaur skin is tough? Do you have some? I didn't think so! ;D
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Post by Tyrannax on Jan 5, 2009 2:38:39 GMT
*Pushes you off cliff*
Articles, pictures, and this argument have told me this. Besides, if they didn't, they'd be easy prey for other marine reptiles. Animals of such size have tough skin, just look at whales, elephants, and great white sharks.
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Post by stoneage on Jan 5, 2009 3:22:11 GMT
*Pushes you off cliff* Articles, pictures, and this argument have told me this. Besides, if they didn't, they'd be easy prey for other marine reptiles. Animals of such size have tough skin, just look at whales, elephants, and great white sharks. ;D Don't you realize Mososaurs died out because Shark predators ate them alive. I guess their skin wasn't so tough after all! ;D
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Post by tetonbabydoll on Jan 5, 2009 3:27:15 GMT
HEY!! I just posted that cause I thought the shark fans here would like it. I was looking for skin impressions, and came across it. I gave it a quick look, and posted cause I THOUGHT you'd find it interesting, if not informative. I have not read it myself yet. **sniff** TRY to be helpful and contribute **snuffle*** On the bright side, Susan says I can repaint my procon styraco again, which is good, cause I **hate** the purple and teal....
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Post by arioch on Jan 5, 2009 10:46:38 GMT
I tought they died because they couldn´t compete with the sharks speed and they stoled their prey and their niche...Hainosaurus seems too big to be eaten easily for any shark of that time.
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Post by ningishzida on Jan 5, 2009 12:08:29 GMT
Mosasaurs obviously had tough scales as a defense mechanism against other marine reptiles. I admit geckos have soft skin compared to other reptiles, but think about it. Almost every gecko can climb almost any surface, and are quite good at escaping danger. They have detachable tails, quick speed, the ability to climb. Why have armor when you can outrun your attacker? Most reptiles, such as Crocodiles, have outrageously tough skin because they fight all the time. Even Bearded Dragons fight, and aren't so fast. That's completely true, and as I have already stated, some marine reptiles have tiny, granular scales that are not very effective protection, but probably make the animal quicker. The whole point of this thread was to show that some marine reptiles DID NOT have glossy smooth bodies like an orca, tough they are often portrayed this way.
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Post by ningishzida on Jan 5, 2009 12:14:14 GMT
*Pushes you off cliff* Articles, pictures, and this argument have told me this. Besides, if they didn't, they'd be easy prey for other marine reptiles. Animals of such size have tough skin, just look at whales, elephants, and great white sharks. ;D Don't you realize Mososaurs died out because Shark predators ate them alive. I guess their skin wasn't so tough after all! ;D That is nonsense. Marine Reptiles were on TOP of the foodchain until the KT mass extinction. Megalodons only came about to fil the niche left by giant marine reptiles....... and they disappeared when the whales outperformed them. The fossil record proves this. Reptiles and Mammals were more succesful in filling this niche. If all the sperm whales and orcas disappeared, larger sharks would probably make another comeback. The evidence of bites on large sea reptiles by sharks is probably only scavenging of dead bodies. Just as sharks don't attack superior orcas, they would not attack superior marine reptiles. The evidence supports this.
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Post by stoneage on Jan 5, 2009 23:42:04 GMT
;D Don't you realize Mososaurs died out because Shark predators ate them alive. I guess their skin wasn't so tough after all! ;D That is nonsense. Marine Reptiles were on TOP of the foodchain until the KT mass extinction. Megalodons only came about to fil the niche left by giant marine reptiles....... and they disappeared when the whales outperformed them. The fossil record proves this. Reptiles and Mammals were more succesful in filling this niche. If all the sperm whales and orcas disappeared, larger sharks would probably make another comeback. The evidence of bites on large sea reptiles by sharks is probably only scavenging of dead bodies. Just as sharks don't attack superior orcas, they would not attack superior marine reptiles. The evidence supports this. ;D Okay your mixed up 1. The mosasaurs put the Ichthyosaurs and pliosaurs out of business between 90 and 85MYA. That when they became extinct.
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Post by stoneage on Jan 6, 2009 0:06:41 GMT
;D 2. Mosasaur vertebrate have been found with the teeth of Cretoxyrhina martelli (Ginsu Shark) imbedded in it. Also this shark outlasted the Mososaurs and lived on to 82 MYA . It was 22 feet long. 3. The first whales weren't around to the Eocene long after the Mosasaurs had died out. And on top of that the first whale were all Herbivores just like the land animals they evolved from. Also Megalodons didn't show up till 18MYA , long after Mosasaurs disappeared, so they didn't fill the Mososaur niche as you have implied. The whales couldn't have outperformed the Mososaurs and lead to their extinction because they didn't come till later And at first they all were herbivores. Do you understand what I am saying. You are very confused. ;D
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Post by ningishzida on Jan 6, 2009 0:26:41 GMT
;D 2. Mosasaur vertebrate have been found with the teeth of Cretoxyrhina martelli (Ginsu Shark) imbedded in it. Also this shark outlasted the Mososaurs and lived on to 82 MYA . It was 22 feet long. 3. The first whales weren't around to the Eocene long after the Mosasaurs had died out. And on top of that the first whale were all Herbivores just like the land animals they evolved from. Also Megalodons didn't show up till 18MYA , long after Mosasaurs disappeared, so they didn't fill the Mososaur niche as you have implied. The whales couldn't have outperformed the Mososaurs and lead to their extinction because they didn't come till later And at first they all were herbivores. Do you understand what I am saying. You are very confused. ;D I am not confused at all, you apparently have poor reading comprehension skills. I NEVER said whales and Mososaurs were contemporaries. I SAID that aquatic reptiles and toothed whales BOTH became the dominant sea predators in their RESPECTIVE time periods, displacing the far more ancient sharks. Thats why there are no megs today, the Sperm whale superceded them as the greatest carnivore in the seas, which incidentally, can swallow the 'average' Great White Shark whole.
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Post by tetonbabydoll on Jan 6, 2009 1:25:15 GMT
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Post by arioch on Jan 6, 2009 1:38:19 GMT
Yeah, i can´t really see where is the conflict. Why care if the mosasaur skin was scaled, or had the texture of a dildo? what would change that?
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Post by dinonikes on Jan 6, 2009 3:59:29 GMT
'shakes head'
Man oh man! Is this for real? Can't we all get along here?
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Post by tomhet on Jan 6, 2009 4:13:22 GMT
*locks thread at least temporarily*
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Post by stoneage on Jan 6, 2009 4:17:21 GMT
;D 2. Mosasaur vertebrate have been found with the teeth of Cretoxyrhina martelli (Ginsu Shark) imbedded in it. Also this shark outlasted the Mososaurs and lived on to 82 MYA . It was 22 feet long. 3. The first whales weren't around to the Eocene long after the Mosasaurs had died out. And on top of that the first whale were all Herbivores just like the land animals they evolved from. Also Megalodons didn't show up till 18MYA , long after Mosasaurs disappeared, so they didn't fill the Mososaur niche as you have implied. The whales couldn't have outperformed the Mososaurs and lead to their extinction because they didn't come till later And at first they all were herbivores. Do you understand what I am saying. You are very confused. ;D I am not confused at all, you apparently have poor reading comprehension skills. I NEVER said whales and Mososaurs were contemporaries. I SAID that aquatic reptiles and toothed whales BOTH became the dominant sea predators in their RESPECTIVE time periods, displacing the far more ancient sharks. Thats why there are no megs today, the Sperm whale superceded them as the greatest carnivore in the seas, which incidentally, can swallow the 'average' Great White Shark whole. ;D Mosasaurs never displaced sharks. Sharks are still here and Mososaurs are gone. Sperm Whales eat squid and fish not Great Whites. Sperm Whales dive deep in the ocean to get their food. There is no evidence that would suggest that Sperm Whales ate Megalodons. I suppose I should believe Dragons fly around with little fairy wings and breath fire. ;D
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