Creationist Mumbo Jumbo A.K.A Preschool Evolution

[tetonbabydoll]

Well, the thing is that these are very personal beliefs. Some people feel very strongly regarding this, and whether you are one of them or not, I don't think that making fun of them for it is a good thing. A honest discussion about religion, faith, and science is fine, good even. But when one automatically takes a position of ridicule, that debate goes no where good. I thought you were more sensitive than that, T?

[Tyrannax]

The story we have all heard from movies, television, newspapers, and most magazines and textbooks is that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. According to evolutionists, the dinosaurs “ruled the Earth” for 140 million years, dying out about 65 million years ago. However, scientists do not dig up anything labeled with those ages. They only uncover dead dinosaurs (i.e., their bones), and their bones do not have labels attached telling how old they are. The idea of millions of years of evolution is just the evolutionists’ story about the past. No scientist was there to see the dinosaurs live through this supposed dinosaur age. In fact, there is no proof whatsoever that the world and its fossil layers are millions of years old. No scientist observed dinosaurs die. Scientists only find the bones in the here and now, and because many of them are evolutionists, they try to fit the story of the dinosaurs into their view.

Other scientists, called creation scientists, have a different idea about when dinosaurs lived. They believe they can solve any of the supposed dinosaur mysteries and show how the evidence fits wonderfully with their ideas about the past, beliefs that come from the Bible.

The Bible, God’s very special book (or collection of books, really), claims that each writer was supernaturally inspired to write exactly what the Creator of all things wanted him to write down for us so that we can know where we (and dinosaurs) came from, why we are here, and what our future will be. The first book in the Bible—Genesis—teaches us many things about how the universe and life came into existence. Genesis tells us that God created everything—the Earth, stars, sun, moon, plants, animals, and the first two people.

Although the Bible does not tell us exactly how long ago it was that God made the world and its creatures, we can make a good estimate of the date of creation by reading through the Bible and noting some interesting passages:

1.

God made everything in six days. He did this, by the way, to set a pattern for mankind, which has become our seven day week (as described in Exodus 20:11). God worked for six days and rested for one, as a model for us. Furthermore, Bible scholars will tell you that the Hebrew word for day used in Genesis 1, can only mean an ordinary day in this context.
2.

We are told God created the first man and woman—Adam and Eve—on Day Six. Many facts about when their children and their children’s children were born are given in Genesis. These genealogies are recorded throughout the Old Testament, up until the time of Christ. They certainly were not chronologies lasting millions of years.

As you add up all of the dates, and accepting that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came to Earth almost 2000 years ago, we come to the conclusion that the creation of the Earth and animals (including the dinosaurs) occurred only thousands of years ago (perhaps only 6000!), not millions of years. Thus, if the Bible is right (and it is!), dinosaurs must have lived within the past thousands of years. "

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

Let them believe what they want. If it makes them think that they can kill stuff, do whatever they want, etc good for them...


And yeah, people have been cruel to me too when I mention I accept evolution. (notice I didn't say believe )

[tetonbabydoll]

Well, I don't think insulting a person's personal faith is the way to go. I am not saying that some of them are any better. They make fun for you believing in evolution, then that is just as wrong. I think a good debate has to leave those insults aside, but this is one thing most people get very passionate about. I don't tend to discuss my personal thoughts on this in public, just to avoid this argument. I have discussed it privately with some members though. I just am not sure what the purpose of the thread is. Do you want to know what I think, or are we just taking pot shots at creationists?

[Tyrannax]

Its basically just a thread to show you how different Creationists are. As well as a vent thread.

I have never met a creationist who wasn't rude or insulting to me.

[tetonbabydoll]

I have never been rude or mean to you...

While not a "creationist" in the technical sense, I do believe in God, and do believe He created the universe....do you think you want to apply your blanket opinion to me?

[Tyrannax]

Hey, I believe in God too, and that he created the universe. I do not, however, believe he created the earth in seven days. I believe many things from the Bible, but as far as time lines and evolution go, I side with science.

Push blanket opinion on you? What? Its just a thread with a quote from a Creationists viewpoint that I found absurd. No ones pushing their beliefs on you teton. ;D

Besides, it sounds like we have similar beliefs.

I apologize if this did offend you Kevin.

[tetonbabydoll]

I am not offended, I just don't want to disregard a person's faith. As far as mine, i am still working it out I guess. The best I can do, as for a short answer, is that Creation was the event, and evolution is the process by which the event was accomplished. Not that that makes any sense.

[Tyrannax]

Actually, I understand what you mean.

Not to sound childish, but I've always believed God created the Universe by causing the Big Bang. I mix religion with evolution.

[dinonikes]

This is a topic that will only get people riled up- religion, politics, taboo subjects unless you are looking to get into areas best left for private forums.

[kuni]

Malcolm's right.

For instance, I don't believe that faith is something to be respected at all, since it's personal and has no objective proof.

[Tyrannax]

Now I don't think faith should be disrespected.


To be honest, I'm siding with teton on this. No faith deserves disrespect. You all can read the article, but I'm taking off my opinion.

[kuni]

Well, let me clarify - I think faith deserves to be tolerated, namely, you shouldn't try to interfere with someone's ability to practice their personal faith (unless it's something where they're hurting other people, breaking laws, etc etc obviously)

What I don't think faith deserves is an automatic "aura of respect" where just because it's somebody's "faith", it can't be questioned, made fun of, etc. I don't think it's unreasonable at all for people to have to justify their beliefs if they bring them up.

[therizinosaurus]

You guys, I'm going to lock this until some other mods come around to see what they think.