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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 20, 2009 19:39:22 GMT
What's three inches ? some more tail prob...lol Just some ideas on packing..I've sold a lot myself and people want cheap rates with secure packing and those two don't always go hand in hand... heh I've just been sending in the cash as they come out...waiting for one big shipment..this guy will prob be cause for a big box so maybe a good excuse to ship all together ?  My biggest sauropods are the Tyco Bronto and JP Horizon Brachio ..not going to beat them..size-wise...but it will put the current Carnegie pieces to shame... |
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Post by Meso-Cenozoic on Mar 21, 2009 2:07:23 GMT
Hey, Malcolm, your not gonna put a base on this one like the Indricotherium, since they're both quadrupedal, are you? I would really like this one to be without a base. Just my opinion! ;D
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 21, 2009 2:13:01 GMT
All the dinos have had bases so far...if they did't the feet would be flat and undetailed I'm guessing..at least on the bottoms. Pieces with detailed feet that have no base usually have rods or pins inserted in them to hold up the body while the artist works...later the holes are filled... I don't know if there is another way to do it or not.
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Post by Meso-Cenozoic on Mar 21, 2009 2:17:58 GMT
Hmmm? I thought I remembered at the start of these projects, that the bases wouldn't be used or needed on the big sauropods. Plus, detailed bottoms of feet or not, I don't think something this huge would fall over too easily, lol!
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Post by stoneage on Mar 21, 2009 2:22:30 GMT
 Sounds like you've got everyone excited about this one Dinonikes. Are you going to make it all hard plastic or hollow. One thing I've always wanted was a 1/40 Blue Whale to go with the Monterey Bay stuff. The longest Blue Whale ever recorded was 108 feet. That would be pretty close to 33 meters. ;D
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Post by dinonikes on Mar 21, 2009 2:29:26 GMT
^I am glad that this excites- i am excited by it- it is big- thats for sure-
Not too sure if this would have a base or not- I am inclined to not have one- we shall see- the feet wouldn't have any detail on the bottom as that would be the route that the casting material would pour through-the pose itself doesn't require one like the indri did with its raised fron t foot- this one will have all feet on the floor- the most boring pose yet of all of these figures-lol
I am not sure if this supersaurus would be solid or hollow cast- I sort of think that it might need the solid weight to counterbalance the length of the neck and the tail- the solid body might be necessary to keep the weight heavy in the center to make it stand-
A 1:40 Blue Whale would be cool- I have a fairly big breaching Humpback Whale model-measures like 22 inches long- don't know what scale it is-
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 21, 2009 3:02:19 GMT
If the neck and tail are solid...then the body should be as well. If you make the whole thing hollow minus head or tail tip that would work...or if the body were solid, or just the legs, even would keep it up I bet.
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Post by Meso-Cenozoic on Mar 21, 2009 4:53:36 GMT
Well, the main reason that I wouldn't want a base on this one is for display purposes. I know alot of us would probably like to display this with some of our other Late Jurassic sauropods (granted, if there's room, lol!). Without a base, we could see a better comparison to our other 1/40 sauropod figures, all of which don't have bases. If this one had a base, the height difference wouldn't lend to a true visual comparison to the others without.
Two other smaller reasons would be, first, if it didn't have a base, the actual feet could maybe fit easier on limited shelf space than with a larger base under it. And heaven knows, we'll need all the help we can get to fit this extra large puppy into our collection, lol! The second would be, it would save a bit on using even more casting material. And, with a piece this size, even a small amount of savings will add up!
So, my vote still holds for a baseless model! ;D
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Post by Meso-Cenozoic on Mar 21, 2009 5:31:40 GMT
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 21, 2009 5:51:15 GMT
Bases are just for sculpting ease...I haven't seen his buildup of the frame for this one yet...baseless is fine for me...with base can also work...a little sediment covering and you can't tell it's there in a diorama...of course you can also cut it off... lol Kazuanri is the MAN.... ;D I hate to suggest one artist copy another....but I can "suggest" it... lol if Dinonike's piece turned out like this I would be more than happy to pick it up... It almost looks like Kazunari used the same skeletal and fleshed out image from the same site we were looking at. |
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Post by tetonbabydoll on Mar 21, 2009 12:12:10 GMT
I like the spines too, but what is the evidence all sauropods had them. I know the backbone had a ridge, but what about actual spines projecting? I like the diplo with them, but not really the apato. Does that make any dang sense?? My biggest pet peeve with the sauropods are chunky legs and feet, and skimping on the length, especially the tail. I know that a true 1/40 sauropod will cost, but would be totally worth it. There have been many fossils of spines found near/attached to sauropod fossils in the USA. So many, that, it is assumed that most sauropods had them. Well, at least a whole two, anyway. And they are not sure of the extent or position, or even species. Granted this was, what, 92? More may have been found, now that they know what they are looking for. But this is fossil skin impression, not actual bone spikes attached to the backbone, at least from what is described here. |
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Mar 21, 2009 14:21:54 GMT
There have been many fossils of spines found near/attached to sauropod fossils in the USA. So many, that, it is assumed that most sauropods had them. Well, at least a whole two, anyway. And they are not sure of the extent or position, or even species. Granted this was, what, 92? More may have been found, now that they know what they are looking for. But this is fossil skin impression, not actual bone spikes attached to the backbone, at least from what is described here. There was something else. They had found many spines running along the tail, and I think there was some spines attached to vertebrae above the hips. |
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Post by dinonikes on Mar 21, 2009 17:31:26 GMT
One thing that spines will do is make it a lot harder to cleanup the casts as the spines will be right where the parting line of the mold would be, where the seam would run- will have to trim along all of those spines- time is money as they say- I might have to think of some way to make a separate spine piece that i could just glue along the top ridge of the piece- I will have to think this out a bit- would like the spines as it would make the piece more interesting- but i don't want to spend the rest of my days trimming supersaurus spines- Blade you know what I am talking about here-
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 21, 2009 22:16:52 GMT
Def man.... a model kit builder usually does it once..but cleaning flash from mass production is a full time job...whew !
You might to sculpt a little pice of tail or neck with spines and just how it would turn out.. to thin and you might run into a lot of breakage...which I'm sure occured naturally..but a lot of collectors want pristine, prime of life pieces.
Maybe instead of full , tall, spines make most of them just high, rasied ridges... even so a piece this large with a thin tail is going to be a pain to clean-up before painting I think.
Even if you molded a single spine or section of spines they would still require some cleaning up before being glued...then they're as fragile as anything glued is... :/
If you had one person just cleaning these guys up that help...you might be looking at expanding your staff...heh heh... I guess this is why places with big production end up in China eh ?
I'll think on it and if I come up with an idea I'll let you know...but right now I can't figure a way around not having to do it really... not unless you want to sell these big boys/girls as a sort of kit...just would require cleaning and painting. Just offer a finsihing service for those that want it for a few bucks more...some would take the un-finished one cutting down your workload a bit anyway.
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Post by dinonikes on Mar 21, 2009 22:20:57 GMT
Yeah I agree- but that is why I brought it up, this piece might end up being fairly pricey- not just the size, amount of materials, but the amount of prep work before painting that would go into it if it had spines along the back like in the Aakari model, or the illustrations. I think it really has to have them-
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 21, 2009 22:26:39 GMT
Araki's pieces are usually sold as kits..and one like this I believe retails for just over 100.00 ..but don't quote me on that.. Me I'm fine with assembling and building kits...gives me somethingto do when I have a spare moment or two...heh I guess it depends on what the others think....maybe you could put small spines on the Acro afterall and try him as a test piece..see how bad it is really... he's quite a bit smaller than this Leviathan so it could be an idea. |
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Post by timlee3005 on Mar 22, 2009 5:56:14 GMT
Well, at least a whole two, anyway. And they are not sure of the extent or position, or even species. Granted this was, what, 92? More may have been found, now that they know what they are looking for. But this is fossil skin impression, not actual bone spikes attached to the backbone, at least from what is described here. This is why the spines are more of an option for Supersaurus,rather than a must-have feature for it to be accurate.This loophole means the spines can be there only if you feel like putting them there! |
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Post by tetonbabydoll on Mar 22, 2009 6:47:16 GMT
Well, this means that the sauropods at least may appear more reptilian in detail than has been done in recent times. Adding to hadrosaurs having similar features, and you may be justified in making all the 4 legged plant eaters more reptile like. Who knows with the theropods, but carnotaurus for one was fairly bumpy and scaly. I think these details are interesting, but they do increase the level of labor needed to do them. It looks like the spines found were keratin, and not bone. They were not projections of the neural spines, but appear to be mainly ornamentation. The assumption is that the spines would have followed the entire backbone, all the way up the neck, but they only had evidence for them on the tail. This might explain why that WR diplo only has spines on the back half. Interesting that they were accurate about that detail, but not more important ones.....  |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 22, 2009 7:15:25 GMT
Since evidence has been found spines would be a good and proper choice...but not having them or as I mentioned before scaling them back into high bumps or ridges would also work and save some time. The Papo Allo in your sig is a good example.. high spines in certain places and just bumps and ridges in others... I'm not 100% sure having spines makes them more reptilian..maybe in looks.. but birds have feathers that also resemble spines...heh Just an observation...not wanting to start an argument or anything. |
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Post by timlee3005 on Mar 22, 2009 7:46:40 GMT
Well, this means that the sauropods at least may appear more reptilian in detail than has been done in recent times. Adding to hadrosaurs having similar features, and you may be justified in making all the 4 legged plant eaters more reptile like. Who knows with the theropods, but carnotaurus for one was fairly bumpy and scaly. I think these details are interesting, but they do increase the level of labor needed to do them. It looks like the spines found were keratin, and not bone. They were not projections of the neural spines, but appear to be mainly ornamentation. The assumption is that the spines would have followed the entire backbone, all the way up the neck, but they only had evidence for them on the tail. This might explain why that WR diplo only has spines on the back half. Interesting that they were accurate about that detail, but not more important ones..... You are absolutely right about one thing...and there is no "maybe" about it.They WERE reptilian in appearance.Skin impressions found recently with a specimen that has been positively identified as Diplodocus had reptilian scales,so they looked liked reptiles,spines or not.(There were no signs of any iguana like spines present on this one,but there is a saying that goes "Lack of evidence does not mean evidence of lacking!") And here by the way is that impression  |
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Sounds like you've got everyone excited about this one Dinonikes. Are you going to make it all hard plastic or hollow. One thing I've always wanted was a 1/40 Blue Whale to go with the Monterey Bay stuff. The longest Blue Whale ever recorded was 108 feet. That would be pretty close to 33 meters. ;D
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