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Post by Meso-Cenozoic on Mar 22, 2009 9:37:11 GMT
Malcolm, even though I also like the idea of the spines, I see your dilemma with them. Maybe you could just accent some areas of the neck, back and tail with some small groups of them.
I am also an artist and have done some sculpting, although nothing like you can do in sculpting. But, I know how much labor can go into the clean-up process, especially if there's alot of detail. Too bad you can't farm out some of these just for the cleaning part. I'd be more than happy to help! But, I guess with shipping back and forth, that could also up the price too. I'd be willing to throw in my shipping back cost if it would help!
Anyway, whatever you decide, I'm sure it will be the best decision for all purposes.
BTW, the specific Akari models I posted were not for sale, if I'm remembering correctly. I think each one was a one-time sculpt for a museum piece. So, if that's case, they weren't mass produced. And, he, or someone, only had to clean each piece's spines only once! That would make a big difference!!
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Post by tetonbabydoll on Mar 22, 2009 10:08:11 GMT
Since evidence has been found spines would be a good and proper choice...but not having them or as I mentioned before scaling them back into high bumps or ridges would also work and save some time. The Papo Allo in your sig is a good example.. high spines in certain places and just bumps and ridges in others...  I'm not 100% sure having spines makes them more reptilian..maybe in looks.. but birds have feathers that also resemble spines...heh Just an observation...not wanting to start an argument or anything. No argument. I don't mean the spines alone , but just general appearance. Aside from posture, those old reconstructions may be more right than i once thought. The spines, flaps, scutes, etc. are mostly asthetic for me. I think since WWD, everyone does them that way. Of course, everyone used the wrong head for a long time too....If that skin impression was from a different part, other than the tail, that could suggest a lack of spines further along, and just on the tail instead. Or, since the spines and skin in the article was not positively identified from a particular animal, maybe not all of them had them after all. Or, maybe as the animal matured? |
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Post by dinonikes on Mar 22, 2009 16:02:31 GMT
yeah these spines are a dilemma- it would make it so much easier to produce (sculpt, mold, cast, cleanup) without them- but they would look VERY cool- I do have time to decide what to do as I still have to sculpt the darn thing yet-
^Meso- that was a very generous offer to help out on the cleanup of the spines- wouldn't really be practical though- if there are spines I have a few helpers here that would be enlisted to cleanup-
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Mar 22, 2009 22:47:56 GMT
If he doesn't do spines, and you want them, you could just make some out of sculpey and glue them on to the thing. ;D
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Post by dinonikes on Mar 23, 2009 2:27:48 GMT
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Post by therizinosaurus on Mar 23, 2009 3:05:15 GMT
Wow, I can't wait, it looks amazing!
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 23, 2009 4:29:05 GMT
Looks impressive.... ;D
I'm glad it's you doing this and not me though....heh heh
Spines again...I really don't know... they could be customized as CT suggested...but they might be more fragile and prone to breaking...but I've seen resin models made small details broke off of when made too thin as well. Shame they couldn't be made from a softer rubber or something...hmm..
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Post by tomhet on Mar 23, 2009 5:11:47 GMT
I suggest you leave the spines out, too problematic. Besides, evidence is not very conclusive.
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Post by timlee3005 on Mar 23, 2009 8:37:05 GMT
Here's another interesting bit concerning sauropod anatomy using Diplodocus as a model for where the nosrils would be located in life.  "This rendering reflects the new position of the nostrils on the sauropod dinosaur Diplodocus (left and bottom right). Top right is the skull of Diplodocus; middle right is the traditional view with the nostril located more to the rear of the head, which has been refuted by the new research by Ohio University's Lawrence Witmer." |
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Post by Tyrannax on Mar 23, 2009 9:55:51 GMT
Can't wait for the finished product. |
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Post by Meso-Cenozoic on Mar 23, 2009 10:02:37 GMT
OMG, be still my heart, lol! Malcolm, you've started it!! As the late, great Freddie Prinze would say, "Looking Good!"
I know it's really early in the process. But, just wondered if the whip end of the tail was going to start that far back or will you be filling it in a little, just leaving a small portion at the very end for the thinnest part of the whip?
PS ~ Yeah, I knew that was an impossible task I mentioned about farming it out to help clean it, lol! Just wanted to let you know I would've if I could've!! ;D
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Mar 23, 2009 23:08:40 GMT
VERY nice so far! I'll definately be buying this guy... ;D
And please dinonikes, do not suffer from the disease* that most other sauropod sculptors succumb from.
* where they make the front feet wrong and like an elephant's
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Post by Meso-Cenozoic on Mar 24, 2009 0:28:15 GMT
Ok, I found this pic. It gave me an idea for the spines, if you still want to try them. If you might simply make a jagged ridge along the top of him instead of individual spikes, you wouldn't have to clean each spike. To make the "spines" looked separated, you could just carve in thin lines to give the impression of individual ones on the side of the ridge.  |
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Post by dinonikes on Mar 24, 2009 0:36:23 GMT
VERY nice so far! I'll definately be buying this guy... ;D And please dinonikes, do not suffer from the disease* that most other sauropod sculptors succumb from. * where they make the front feet wrong and like an elephant's I am mildly familiar with sauropods feet- if you notice the front feet are cut at an angle- to allow for the horseshoe shape or crescant shape of the 'footprint' |
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Mar 25, 2009 1:01:45 GMT
VERY nice so far! I'll definately be buying this guy... ;D And please dinonikes, do not suffer from the disease* that most other sauropod sculptors succumb from. * where they make the front feet wrong and like an elephant's I am mildly familiar with sauropods feet- if you notice the front feet are cut at an angle- to allow for the horseshoe shape or crescant shape of the 'footprint'  Great!  That detail alone will put you above all current companies like safari, schleich, ... |
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Post by Tyrannax on Mar 25, 2009 1:16:26 GMT
I don't know. Safari Ltd has some impressive sculptors.
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Mar 25, 2009 1:18:15 GMT
I don't know. Safari Ltd has some impressive sculptors. Yeah, and those ah-mazing sculptors, even in 2009, couldn't get sauropod feet right. |
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Post by Tyrannax on Mar 25, 2009 1:20:03 GMT
WS is built for looks, not so much accuracy.
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Mar 25, 2009 1:22:22 GMT
WS is built for looks, not so much accuracy. And those feet look horrible! And I am pretty sure they go for accuracy in their line. Did you start "claying it up" yet dinonikes? |
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Post by Tyrannax on Mar 25, 2009 1:23:58 GMT
By accuracy I don't mean they don't strive to make their Dinosaurs generic theropods. ;D I mean they don't freak out over toe placements! ;D
Carnegie is another story..
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Great! 
That detail alone will put you above all current companies like safari, schleich, ...