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Post by bfler on Aug 2, 2011 13:55:16 GMT
I haven't said it is daily. It happens sometimes in Africa during the dry period when their food source gnu, zebra etc migrates to other green places and there is no more food for them.
Furthermore don't forget that body size wise (without the neck) a sauropod isn't so much bigger than a large carnivore and if you combine this with possible pack hunting of some hungry predadors I would say it can be dangerous for a single sauropod.
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Post by arioch on Aug 2, 2011 14:50:45 GMT
A single adult sauropod weights at least 10 times more than the average big theropod. Only a very old or sick individual could be perhaps in danger. And such extraordinary circumstances doesn´t really determine the biology or behaviour of any animal because they are, er, extraordinary.  |
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Post by Seijun on Aug 2, 2011 16:10:48 GMT
Hmmm... Because it doesn´t exist? ;D It was a joke  Also, the whole thing about sauropods and theropods... Its a bit silly to argue over who would win in any fight ;D just like arguing what modern animals might win in a fight! An adult elephant will beat lions *almost* every time. Same was probably true for sauropods. But there are always those rare instances where everything just works in the predators favor. And vice versa. Lions can beat a wilderbeast most of the time if the wilderbeast gets caught, but there are instances where the wilderbeast will escape at the last minute or bluff lions into backing off. |
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Post by bfler on Aug 2, 2011 16:20:07 GMT
A single adult sauropod weights at least 10 times more than the average big theropod. Max weight of a wolf: 20kg Max weight of a caribou: 350kg The second is standard prey of the first. So weight isn't always the determining factor if an animal is prey of another animal or not. |
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Post by Seijun on Aug 2, 2011 16:23:13 GMT
A single adult sauropod weights at least 10 times more than the average big theropod. Max weight of a wulf: 20kg Max weight of a caribou: 350kg The second is standard prey of the first. So weight isn't always the determining factor if an animal is prey of another animal or not. That would be a good example, but a single wolf does not routinely hunt the biggest caribou it can find. Adult bull caribou might be normal prey for a PACK of wolves, but it is not normal prey for lone wolves. |
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Post by bfler on Aug 2, 2011 16:26:15 GMT
Max weight of a wolf: 20kg Max weight of a caribou: 350kg The second is standard prey of the first. So weight isn't always the determining factor if an animal is prey of another animal or not. That would be a good example, but a single wolf does not routinely hunt the biggest caribou it can find. But a pack, wolves don't hunt alone, and that was what I tried to say with the previous example about the lions/elephant and sauropod/carnivores. |
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Post by Seijun on Aug 2, 2011 17:47:39 GMT
Ok, had misunderstood you there.
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Post by arioch on Aug 2, 2011 18:33:30 GMT
Well, since there are no proof or evidence of coordinate pack hunting in big theropods and its unlikely that we ever found any, sauropods or other big hervibores shouldn´t worry about that.
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 2, 2011 21:00:13 GMT
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Post by stoneage on Aug 3, 2011 3:12:17 GMT
That would be a good example, but a single wolf does not routinely hunt the biggest caribou it can find. But a pack, wolves don't hunt alone, and that was what I tried to say with the previous example about the lions/elephant and sauropod/carnivores. Your weights seem to be way off. A gray wolf can weigh up to 80 KG and a Caribou 272.5 Kg. In fact Coyotes can weigh more then 20 KG. Also show me a link that says that there is any physical evidence of Ceratopsians showing wounds from fighting each other. |
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Post by bfler on Aug 3, 2011 4:56:42 GMT
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Post by Horridus on Aug 3, 2011 17:14:24 GMT
PLoS ONE is awesome.
That stegosaur's hands are still bothering me. Sorry...!
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Post by Griffin on Aug 3, 2011 21:46:37 GMT
Guys back to color. I said it before. Its a tradeoff. An animal can have bright flashy colors and not blend in. It happens. Mating is very important and sometimes, especially with birds, they sacrifice being overlooked by predators to get noticed by other members of the species. So natural predators or not there is nothing wrong with depicting flashy display colors on a large dinosaur.
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 4, 2011 2:38:39 GMT
Shouldn't this discussion really be in the Dinosaurs section ?
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Post by mmfrankford on Aug 4, 2011 10:28:25 GMT
Yes, please.  I love the plates on the stegosaur, like the different take on it. Blade, are you getting this one? |
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Post by bfler on Aug 4, 2011 10:36:53 GMT
The old looks nice but the baby seems a bit warped if you look from behind.
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Post by dinodinkies on Aug 4, 2011 14:32:29 GMT
Say hello to my little japanese friend. Attachments:
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 4, 2011 16:36:51 GMT
Yes, please. I love the plates on the stegosaur, like the different take on it. Blade, are you getting this one? Dear lord.. I'm going to try...lol I've bought every piece so far..the Apato this month is going to be a killer. Hopefully this fellow won't come out til December or January...then I can use Christmas cash on it. ;D |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 4, 2011 16:38:24 GMT
The old looks nice but the baby seems a bit warped if you look from behind. I think that's the bases fault.. it seems they are standing on a slight slope. |
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Post by Therizinos on Aug 5, 2011 1:54:42 GMT
Say hello to my little japanese friend.  Did you already get yours? I'm still waiting on mine to get to me. I was planning to do a review on it once I get it, if anyone's interested. |
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I love the plates on the stegosaur, like the different take on it. Blade, are you getting this one?
Did you already get yours? I'm still waiting on mine to get to me. I was planning to do a review on it once I get it, if anyone's interested.