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Post by Himmapaan on Apr 25, 2011 21:22:41 GMT
Wooooww...!
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Post by stoneage on Apr 25, 2011 21:30:52 GMT
 I'd say they are both works of art!
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Post by ingenia on Apr 26, 2011 16:53:01 GMT
Thanks to everyone for the nice comments once again!
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Post by Horridus on Apr 26, 2011 17:23:21 GMT
As others have said, the Pachy's head is a little off, but it's still impeccably made.
The Carnotaurus head is just bloody gorgeous. I want one! Can we see a front-on view? Got to check out that binocular vision.
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Apr 26, 2011 18:07:34 GMT
As others have said, the Pachy's head is a little off, but it's still impeccably made. The Carnotaurus head is just bloody gorgeous. I want one! Can we see a front-on view? Got to check out that binocular vision. Seconded ! |
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Post by ingenia on Apr 26, 2011 18:36:09 GMT
Horridus, I can say the carnotaurus sculpt has a binocular vision,maybe I post a picture from the front the next time, but you can believe me.What especially is wrong in the pachy head?I am not a palaeontologist, but I made most of the details like the horns on the snout and at the back of the head after photos of discovered skulls, so I would say that these are correct.I think the dome is more or less correct,too, but I should have let it begin a bit deeper.The beak is not perfect, I would say. As I searched for skull pictures, I saw that the discovered pachy skulls show a large variety, the horns on the back of the head weren´t found on every skull, so I think there are strong differences between males and females, adult and juvenile.
By the way, as I am now starting to work on the Irritator skull, if somebody is an expert for this species or for spinosaurids in general, please tell me what I have to watch out for.
Thanks!
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Post by Griffin on Apr 26, 2011 18:54:11 GMT
I think the most glaring thing about the pachy is the fact that its dome looks shallow because you chose to form a sort of barrier with scales that creep up too high on the head. I think if you made the hard dome part extend down farther towards the snout it would look more natural.
The horns on the back of the head...I don't think they should be curved like you have them or at least I have never seen a skull that looked like that.
The beak looks just too round and soft to me. It should me more well...beak like. Remember these guys were probably going around clipping plant material where they could. A rounded smooth front doesn't help.
Males most likely would have had larger domes and larger horns than females. Don't even try to figure out what a juvenile would have looked like since nobody else seems to be sure either and therefore no matter what juvenile you try to produce a reconstruction of somebody is going to have a problem with it lol.
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Post by Horridus on Apr 26, 2011 19:59:43 GMT
We do know what a juvenile looked like - "Dracorex"  By the way, I wasn't doubting that you'd got the Carnotaurus right, Ingenia, just wanted to see it! Regarding Irritator...  The skull should be very narrow, as in this Suchomimus cast (couldn't find a different angle for Irritator I'm afraid...)  |
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Post by Griffin on Apr 26, 2011 21:00:06 GMT
"We do know what a juvenile looked like - "Dracorex""
I rest my case. Its just something nobody can agree on.
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Post by Horridus on Apr 26, 2011 21:56:43 GMT
"We do know what a juvenile looked like - "Dracorex"" I rest my case. Its just something nobody can agree on. Oh, I was just being controversial for the sake of it...I really don't know enough about pachycephalosaurs to comment. ;D That argument does seem to be quite popular, though. |
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Post by Griffin on Apr 27, 2011 4:42:28 GMT
I don't think it is. It just gets a lot of press.
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Post by ingenia on Apr 29, 2011 17:19:46 GMT
I am not really sure about how the crest for the irritator has to look like.I think he has the largest crest from all spinosaurids in comparison.It starts near the eyes and ends at the snout, but what about the width?Is it nearly as wide as the head at some points?If someone knows or has a picture, please tell me.
Thanks
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Apr 29, 2011 17:29:56 GMT
I am not really sure about how the crest for the irritator has to look like.I think he has the largest crest from all spinosaurids in comparison.It starts near the eyes and ends at the snout, but what about the width?Is it nearly as wide as the head at some points?If someone knows or has a picture, please tell me. Thanks I don't think is much evidence of a huge crest..but it's more artistic choice really.  |
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Post by arioch on Apr 29, 2011 18:24:16 GMT
The crest would be certainly a little bigger and maybe pointy in the fleshed animal, but probably not so much like in the last pic.
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Post by ingenia on Jul 31, 2011 10:49:53 GMT
Hi everyone! I finally finished my irritator sculpture and made some pictures to share with you.I am really happy with this bust, it turned out to look nearly 100% of what I tried to reach. So from these heads I did so far, this is absolutely my favorite, and I hope some of you will like it , too.I sculpted for about 3 months (with a two week break because I had to wait for the artificial eyes to arrive  ) on this one, I think something between 100-140 hours. This sculpture is made like the ones before,but I tried to give it a more interesting color scheme.The eyes turned out to look really great. So here it is:  The spikes on the neck are mainly inspired by arioch`s spinosaurus drawing (thanks!), I like the idea of these very long spikes, makes him look a little meaner.   The color scheme turned out to look more realistic than I originally thought, which is good, although I am not trying to make everything as realistic as possible.The sculpture always has to look correct in the form, so that`s why I use a lot of skull reconstructions, but I am not afraid to add some details which are maybe speculative or not so realistic.The goal is always to have a good looking result (for example, I am pretty sure irritator did not have these long spikes on the neck).   When the sculpture is attached on the wall, it will look down to the ground.    I made the crest a bit more present than on spinosaurus sculptures. A picture of the teeth:  I finally found out that I made the dilophosaurus, the pachy and this one in nearly the same scale.There is a difference from 1:2.5 to 1:2.8, so I would say the scale in which I will work in the future will stay in this range (The future means next week and the following ;D, I got a new project which I will start as soon as possible). Some of you may know the spinosaurus created by Michael Trcic, here is one picture with this sculpture for size comparison.  So I hope you like the sculpture and tell me what you think. I think I will update this thread again the next days because my brother is in the final working process of his diabloceratops bust. Thanks for the interest!  |
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Post by DinoLord on Jul 31, 2011 12:42:27 GMT
Wonderful! It looks like it belongs in a museum!
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Post by totoro on Jul 31, 2011 15:27:32 GMT
Amazing! I somehow missed this thread, so just now seeing all of the work you and your brother have done. You're both quite talented! Have you painted the 1st two busts (dilophosaurus and eocarcharia)? If so, I'd like to see those if you'd be willing to post pictures. You should both be quite proud of your work. They are beautiful pieces - please keep making more! (Ahh, hemmm....Ceratosaurus...hemmm) Actually, an Ankylosaur would be pretty cool too!
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Post by ingenia on Jul 31, 2011 16:19:26 GMT
Thanks Totoro (are you a fan of the movie? I love all of myazakis work!)
No, the dilopho and eocarcharia didn`t get paint, I am not so talented in doing this, and I think it wouldn`t work with my airbrush pistol on the epoxy.I like ceratosaurus as well, but I am now preparing to sculpt an acrocanthosaurus, which will be in the same scale as the irritator, which makes it a lot bigger.
But the sculpture I am planning to do after the acro will be an edmontonia.
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Post by totoro on Jul 31, 2011 16:38:33 GMT
Thanks Totoro (are you a fan of the movie? I love all of myazakis work!) No, the dilopho and eocarcharia didn`t get paint, I am not so talented in doing this, and I think it wouldn`t work with my airbrush pistol on the epoxy.I like ceratosaurus as well, but I am now preparing to sculpt an acrocanthosaurus, which will be in the same scale as the irritator, which makes it a lot bigger. But the sculpture I am planning to do after the acro will be an edmontonia. Well, of course I've seen Totoro - many, many times. I too love all of the Miyazaki movies, but for some reason Totoro really resonates for me. Powerful, yet gentle and compassionate. I'm an ecologist, and that theme really pervades a lot of Miyazaki's films, so there's that attraction too. The Edmontonia sounds cool, although I'd advocate for the spikier-headed Ankylosaur. Maybe you're tired of spikes after the Pachycephalosaurus and Irritator, though, huh?! Acrocanthosaurus will be wonderful, and a good tune up for the ultimate piece - your Ceratosaurus! Haha, OK, I will let that go.  Again, thanks for sharing your inspiring work. Oh, quick question on the Apoxie sculpt. Do you wear gloves while working with it? I just recently used it to assemble a model kit and really hated the way it stuck to my gloves. Can't imagine sculpting with it wearing gloves, and I've seen some artists sites suggesting gloves aren't necessary, but I believe the instructions indicated gloves should be worn. Just curious. |
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Post by ingenia on Jul 31, 2011 17:27:19 GMT
I tried it with gloves... for about 30 minutes. It is terrible in my opinion, and I work with apoxie now for over a year, it is absolutely not necessary.
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I'd say they are both works of art!
By the way, I wasn't doubting that you'd got the Carnotaurus right, Ingenia, just wanted to see it!
) on this one, I think something between 100-140 hours.
