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Post by Himmapaan on Jul 3, 2011 21:39:29 GMT
Ah, yes! That looks just right.  |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Jul 3, 2011 21:48:06 GMT
Perhaps it is not the length of the body so much as the limbs? Could the latter be just a little longer? You guys are a dreadful influence. Now I'm making critiques, ew... Come to the Darkside ! ;D ( Overused I know..but still funny. ) |
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Post by Himmapaan on Jul 3, 2011 21:54:38 GMT
Perhaps it is not the length of the body so much as the limbs? Could the latter be just a little longer? You guys are a dreadful influence. Now I'm making critiques, ew... Come to the Darkside ! ;D ( Overused I know..but still funny. ) Nooooooo! |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Jul 3, 2011 21:58:30 GMT
Come to the Darkside ! ;D ( Overused I know..but still funny. ) Nooooooo! lol ;D It is funny though..coming here and reading everyone else's opinions and critiquing has influenced my own opinions to a degree. After helping Malcolm and commenting on each piece I seem to just blurt out my opinion with reservation really anymore too..it's liberating but still..it has it's own darkside for sure..  |
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Post by arioch on Jul 3, 2011 22:03:46 GMT
Oh, yes...Dark side is the way baby!
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Post by Himmapaan on Jul 3, 2011 22:26:01 GMT
Thank you, but I'll remain dumb. ;D Besides, have you noticed what a difference the right choice of words and phrasing makes to a critique? I can still be good and dumb whilst doing it because my manners are just so darned impeccable.  ;D |
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Post by Griffin on Jul 3, 2011 22:31:43 GMT
I still say make the beak bigger.
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Post by Horridus on Jul 4, 2011 19:34:21 GMT
Also, I´m not sure if the nasal horn should be a bit longer... If it's Triceratops prorsus, then maybe. Triceratops horridus had a pretty stumpy nasal horn, generally speaking. Also, it's looking great! Thanks for accepting the request! |
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Post by arioch on Jul 6, 2011 19:34:13 GMT
Glad you liked it! Yes, its T. prorsus, actually the same specimen that previously fought the Tyrannosaurus, hence the broken horn . I´m doing the horns and beak bigger, maybe tomorrow or even tonight it will be finished along with the stego. Meanwhile I´m working on this couple of Tyrannosaurus (male and female on an intimate moment)  Uploaded with ImageShack.us |
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Post by Griffin on Jul 6, 2011 21:30:23 GMT
I hate to be anal but i really don't know if it would be sitting on its side like that. Think about how often birds rest on their sides. (not often and if they do its usually smaller ones.) You may be better off having her sitting more rightside up resting on the pubis bone.
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Post by arioch on Jul 6, 2011 22:18:04 GMT
That was actually the initial pose, sitting straight, but I thought she had to lean sideways so the left toe could reach the neck. Also I dont think it would be impossible for a gigantic theropod to sit briefly like that considering the metatarsal were far shorter proportionally than in modern birds and it might not have supported their weight so good as in, say, ostriches.
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Post by Griffin on Jul 6, 2011 22:27:34 GMT
I don't even know if its realistic to depict it scratching its head like that. The question is can the joint between the femur and pelvis rotate that far forward. I have seen some small perching birds do it while standing on one foot but their foot bones are much longer and can allow for that sort of articulation. They also have a better sense of balance to afford losing a limb to scratch. I have never a large bird do this let alone while laying on its side. In the end you can do it as you like but it probably its safest accuracy wise to follow your first instinct and have her sitting straight. I remember you being a strong advocate for not using mammals too much for models for dinosaurs so a dog may not be a great choice for this scratching business.
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Post by arioch on Jul 6, 2011 23:18:41 GMT
I´m starting over with those though, I dont like the females head shape. Maybe I will make the neck more turned backwards so the leg angle doesnt have to be so extreme and could sit more straight. The dog was just an example of an animal whose legs arent long enough to reach some itchy parts, so it have to adopt an unnatural posture for a moment for the scratching (and anyway I regret having mentioned it because I knew someone will hold that against me). Its not like I´m infering that their behaviour was similar in any way to the theropods. I´ve seen shoebills scratching their necks standing on one feet and they´re fairly big. Ostriches and emus have long flexible necks to reach every part of the body and rub their head against it so they wouldn´t have the need to use the feet at all.... As a model here they seem almost as wrong as a dog. Considering how unlikely would be for a 5 ton short necked theropod to do the same while scratching the ear, I believe there would be another way (apart from trees when they were standing) . Sometimes animals are forced to adopt strange behaviours, because of their anatomy or the environment, that you wouldn´t expect from that species or any other relative unless you witness it...it is called adaptability and it isn´t always related to philogeny. |
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Post by Horridus on Jul 6, 2011 23:29:46 GMT
Many apologies but I agree with Chris in that I don't think the female should be leaning on its leg. Otherwise, it looks fantastic. I can't really comment on the scratching (although it really reminds me of Greg Paul for some reason - not a bad thing), but I don't think an elephant-sized theropod would be resting on its side like that. Still, I have a 'degree' in 'journalism', so feel free to not listen |
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Post by Himmapaan on Jul 6, 2011 23:46:02 GMT
I'm now rather anxious (without at all meaning to encroach on Arioch's thread, but since we're on the subject) whether the silence with which both of you (Chris and Marc) greeted my scratching Protoceratops had something to do with its improbability. *Sheepish* I'd figured that as a small quadruped, it was perhaps less unlikely.
I'm always grateful for advice regarding my saurian depictions, if I hadn't been clear about it before -- I do still have an immense deal to catch up with, after all. Irrespective of what I said about the dark side. ;D
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Post by arioch on Jul 6, 2011 23:54:55 GMT
Many apologies but I agree with Chris in that I don't think the female should be leaning on its leg. Otherwise, it looks fantastic. I can't really comment on the scratching (although it really reminds me of Greg Paul for some reason - not a bad thing), but I don't think an elephant-sized theropod would be resting on its side like that. Still, I have a 'degree' in 'journalism', so feel free to not listen So you think they couldn´t even do it for a few seconds (note that it didnt say it would be the default sitting posture, quite the opposite) until the itchy goes away? (Why reminds of Paul by the way? don´t remember any scraching dinosaur drawing done by him, maybe something he said? ) |
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Post by Horridus on Jul 6, 2011 23:56:34 GMT
I dunno, they might have done, but intuitively they seem a bit big to ever be leaning on one leg. I'm pretty sure there's at least one scratching theropod in the Field Guide...
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Post by Griffin on Jul 7, 2011 0:04:23 GMT
"I´ve seen shoebills scratching their necks standing on one feet and they´re fairly big. Ostriches and emus have long flexible necks to reach every part of the body and rub their head against it so they wouldn´t have the need to use the feet at all.... As a model here they seem almost as wrong as a dog." "Considering how unlikely would be for a 5 ton short necked theropod to do the same while scratching the ear, I believe there would be another way (apart from trees when they were standing) . Sometimes animals are forced to adopt strange behaviours, because of their anatomy or the environment, that you wouldn´t expect from that species or any other relative unless you witness it...it is called adaptability and it isn´t always related to philogeny." Its not about how it behaves (a whole other debate) its about how its built. Sure yeah adaptability: animals do seemingly weird things all the time to get the job done no doubt. But if it physically can't bend that way then it just can't be done. What does a rhino do when it has an itch on its back? I wouldn't expect it to reach around with its leg and scratch it because it physically can't bend that way not because its not normal behavior. What you would really need to do is figure out if a tyrannosaurus' femur can physically bend that far forward and then straighten its other leg bones enough to reach its head. A shoebills femur is proportionally shorter and its footbones much longer (like most extant birds). So bending its foot up to its head like that is much simpler since the femur/pelvis joint need not move so much. This isn't the case with a rex. Like I said I personally don't know for sure if it could bend like that myself but its something to think about if you want your illustrations to be considered super accurate. (I hope you don't take my critiquing the wrong way I just know you said you were serious about them being accurate so I'm giving you serious answers.) The proto could probably do that more easily if anything. Its much lighter, a quadroped and its body its a proportionally shorter distance from the foot to the head. |
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Post by arioch on Jul 7, 2011 0:10:36 GMT
Hmm, I don´t remember any of those.
Tyrannosaurus sitting straight and scratching with one leg looks unnatural to me. Wouldn´t they fall sideways? Actually I believe this is the first I thought before making her leaning, the balance question. So, neither straight or leaning, they probably didnt use the leg to scratch at all.
By the way I´m starting to hate tyrannosaurs and their weird anatomy....my next drawing would likely revolve around ceratopsians butchering more of this weirdos.
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Post by Griffin on Jul 7, 2011 0:12:13 GMT
"Tyrannosaurus sitting straight and scratching with one leg looks unnatural to me. Wouldn´t they fall sideways? Actually I believe this is the first I thought before making her leaning, the balance question"
I would be willing to bet they didn't use their feet to scratch their head if thats the case.
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