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Post by arioch on Apr 24, 2011 2:39:52 GMT
Saurornitholestes catching an Icthyornis:  Uploaded with ImageShack.usI´m done with dromies for now. I see feathers everywhere. A concerned mother:  Uploaded with ImageShack.us |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Apr 24, 2011 6:42:35 GMT
I like the interaction of the Saurornitholestes catching an Icthyornis..nice detail too. ;D
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Post by arioch on Apr 24, 2011 18:44:37 GMT
Thanks! I wish I could do decent backgrounds to emphasize the dynamism, though... Another update: a family shot. Daddy is brooming his plumage.  Uploaded with ImageShack.us |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Apr 24, 2011 19:08:59 GMT
Backgrounds can e a lot of trouble though..making your subjects stand out enough from them and making them just interesting enough to be seen but not draw attention away..unless that is your intent.
I like how the chick sees you in this one but the parents are oblivious.. heh heh
Sine we were talking about backgrounds, maybe add some simple terrain and do an outline of the background with just light shading.
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Post by arioch on Apr 24, 2011 22:19:52 GMT
Yeah I thougth about adding some simple plants, rocks or even insects but If I get it wrong (which is quite likely) is it could even look more fake...And anyway I want my dinos to get all the attention, like you said. Well another one: Spinosaurus 1.0  Uploaded with ImageShack.us |
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Post by Himmapaan on Apr 24, 2011 22:43:35 GMT
I like your lambeosaur, Arioch!  Oh, that reminds me, I hadn't replied to Chris (K) about hadrosaur hands. As far as I'm aware (which isn't saying much ;D), the present consensus is indeed that their palms faced inward, though I'm intrigued by Scott Hartman's latest Parasaurolophus skeletal showing the hands pronated. I tend to think that if the hands were neutral, the palms wouldn't actually be a precise parallel of each other in a perfect straight line, but the elbows would be angled out slightly so that the palms were sort of steep diagonals -- much as ceratopsian hands are. This feels to me much more comfortable and better able to support weight. I hope this makes any sense.  ETA: I did a few quick drawings to try to illustrate what I meant. It's such a devil of a position to depict.  Neutral hands with slightly angled out elbows like ceratopsians, resulting in palms facing each other 'diagonally', as in the above set of foot(hand)prints, rather than the severely straight parallel below (which would be the result of the perfectly upright arms below right). You can try it for yourself: hold your arms up with your hands neutral and palms facing. Keep your hands rigid, but then angle your elbows out a little -- your hands will naturally form those diagonals. I think this would do a far better job of supporting weight. Of course, if anyone can confidently tell me that the hands were in fact pronated, then that simplifies everything. ;D They will be so much easier to draw too.  ;D As I said, that seems to be acceptable too and I know many well-respected artists have continued to adopt it. |
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Post by Horridus on Apr 24, 2011 23:11:02 GMT
Liked your dromaeosaur family very much. More of that sort of thing! Too few people are willing to give them their proper plumage as you are. Regarding the spinosaur, it needs a few minor tweaks in the head area. Mostly, the jaws should be a slightly different shape and the teeth should be of differing lengths. Check the skull on this mount, and others on the Wikipedia page.  |
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Post by arioch on Apr 24, 2011 23:46:59 GMT
Liked your dromaeosaur family very much. More of that sort of thing! Too few people are willing to give them their proper plumage as you are. Regarding the spinosaur, it needs a few minor tweaks in the head area. Mostly, the jaws should be a slightly different shape and the teeth should be of differing lengths. Check the skull on this mount, and others on the Wikipedia page. Ironically I was using that same pic for the inspiration, between others...  when I finished I thought I got it quite right except for the tip of the snout, not thin enough and the teeth lenght of the lower jaw. The head of my Spino is slightly leaned to the left so it seems a bit wider too. What else could be fixed? I´m not too familar with spinosaurids. Btw, glad you liked the raptor family. What´s your take on the saurornitholestes and its prey? Is the first time I draw a prehistoric bird. I also tried to make the dromie plumage sort of heron like. Shame my colouring abilities sucks. |
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Post by Horridus on Apr 25, 2011 0:02:29 GMT
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Post by Griffin on Apr 25, 2011 0:25:37 GMT
Cool stuff. Again just be careful with the twisty feet on the duckbill. Its an easy mistake to make since we are so used to having flexible wrists and ankles. Despite this theirs probably weren't so.
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Post by Himmapaan on Apr 25, 2011 1:43:45 GMT
I've edited my earlier post to include some sketches. Sorry to have posted them, Arioch; if you prefer, I could remove the image and link to it instead.
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Apr 25, 2011 1:53:37 GMT
Thanks for the sketch Niroot ! I have to say I already did the arms on mine and the little fingers to the side as has been common place. But, I did save the image ( if you don't mind ) so when I do work on another hadrosaur I can try it out myself. I really appreciate the help..I'm def a visual person.. ;D
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Post by arioch on Apr 25, 2011 2:14:15 GMT
Himmapan- don´ t worry, youre welcome to post wathever you like here, specially your art! Btw, was it really necessary to draw all the shadows and folds in that "quick" schematic hadrosaur? lol I wish I had the patience (and talent) to do sketches at least half as clean as yours! I quite like the sketch. My hadrosaurs palms slightly face each other, but maybe the angle is not enough pronounced. I dont feel like there´s a consensus about how professional paleo artists make them. I still see lot of hadros with pronated hands in modern reconstructions. - Horridus: thanks for that link, very informative. I´m doing a few Hesperornis in my next drawing depicting a pterosaur and I will apply what I´ve learned from it. -Griffin: I thought someone would notice it sooner or later ;D I have edited the post with the updated version. |
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Post by arioch on Apr 25, 2011 6:46:37 GMT
;D "Hey! get out of here!"  Uploaded with ImageShack.usI´m feeling a bit sick now so I will complete it tomorrow. |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Apr 25, 2011 8:46:56 GMT
This would make a good quick comic..have the Pteranodon turn around and stare like " you say something ? " and the little guy shrieks and runs off. Then in the next panel he's back fussing and when the pteranodon annoyed, turns around, sees a whole flock of them there ! You can draw his eyes getting big in the last one.. pretty hilarious just running that scenario through my head... lol
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Post by hkhollinstone on Apr 25, 2011 16:47:30 GMT
This would make a good quick comic..have the Pteranodon turn around and stare like " you say something ? " and the little guy shrieks and runs off. Then in the next panel he's back fussing and when the pteranodon annoyed, turns around, sees a whole flock of them there ! You can draw his eyes getting big in the last one.. pretty hilarious just running that scenario through my head... lol ;D ;D |
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Post by arioch on Apr 25, 2011 17:04:37 GMT
Oh I wish there was room for more Hesperornis...maybe I will execute that idea anyway. Probably I will make some companions for that little fella to back him up. ;D
Btw I´m starting to getting familiar with Photoshop rendering... but Im still a noob with it. Do you know any good tutorial for cleaning and colouring an sketch decently?
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Apr 25, 2011 18:42:32 GMT
Honestly I haven't even touched any computer art program outside of Paint. I might be able to look one up..but I bet someone else here knows how.
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Post by arioch on Apr 25, 2011 20:22:15 GMT
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Post by Himmapaan on Apr 25, 2011 22:12:33 GMT
Chris, yes, of course; do save it by all means. Btw, was it really necessary to draw all the shadows and folds in that "quick" schematic hadrosaur? lol Sorry, force of habit. ;D That will be one explanation for my working sooo sl--o--w--ly too. Yes, I think for the moment at any rate, pronated hadrosaur hands are just as acceptable, so one might as well go for it. ;D Oh, and you do have plenty of talent! And cleanliness of execution matters not at all! A sketchy spontaneity often lends much more expressiveness to a drawing. And I love the Pteranodon and Hesperornis. ;D It lends itself wonderfully to a sequence, but I think the humour works perfectly in just this one drawing. ;D |
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;D As I said, that seems to be acceptable too and I know many well-respected artists have continued to adopt it.
when I finished I thought I got it quite right except for the tip of the snout, not thin enough and the teeth lenght of the lower jaw. The head of my Spino is slightly leaned to the left so it seems a bit wider too.
