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Post by Sparkleopteryx on Jul 31, 2011 1:34:22 GMT
Thanks David, I always feel better when its you explaining it since you know your stuff  I measured those "wing/primary" feathers and counted the things. Feather by feather. They should be fine. Hopefully. lol! |
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Post by lio99 on Jul 31, 2011 4:52:40 GMT
Feathers?
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Post by sbell on Jul 31, 2011 5:59:33 GMT
I'm still just amazed anyone can SEE anything like fingers. OMG I am getting old and blind. All I see is blue and blur, lol! Yes, I can't wait for the insane amount of badgering over what I (we) did wrong at some point. Sigh. Well, Angie, it is the internet--10% original works, 90% opinions on that work |
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Post by arioch on Jul 31, 2011 10:33:11 GMT
Looking nice. Do they have leg feathers?
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Post by krentz on Jul 31, 2011 18:49:22 GMT
I'm going to have to chime in a say that they do not have leg feathers. I had to make that call early on. It had to do with technical consideration rather than design.
Wing feathers are a MASSIVE pain in the butt. The legs move too much to avoid colliding geometry on a constant basis. On our budget I am happy we got feathers on so many critters. By far, it was the biggest battle for me in the series.
Regardless, Angie is right. People will complain about everything else. It's what the Internet was invented for. Funny thing is, I used to be that guy in line for Jurassic Park complaining about the raptors. After Many dinosaur shows in my 18 year career ( a whole bunch never saw the light if day) I realize that getting anything right AT ALL is a massive win. There are so many people and steps involved and so many chances for inaccuracies to occur. I am very proud of what we achieved!!! Although our team was small we pulled off serious miracles!
Anyway, the best case scenario is that people enjoy the show, and a bunch if kids get inspired and a bunch of grown ups respect what we ( Paleos and Movie Makers) do for their brains.
Oh yea. They should also buy every product advertised during the show.
That would help too ;-)
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Post by arioch on Jul 31, 2011 19:17:19 GMT
Its ok. We do not have strong evidence of leg feathers in non basal troodontids -although is quite likely that they had- so until proven otherwise that couldn´t be considered an innacuracy. I also have the feeling that you did a great job.  |
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Post by Himmapaan on Jul 31, 2011 19:23:00 GMT
I'm going to have to chime in a say that they do not have leg feathers. I had to make that call early on. It had to do with technical consideration rather than design. Wing feathers are a MASSIVE pain in the butt. The legs move too much to avoid colliding geometry on a constant basis. On our budget I am happy we got feathers on so many critters. By far, it was the biggest battle for me in the series. Regardless, Angie is right. People will complain about everything else. It's what the Internet was invented for. Funny thing is, I used to be that guy in line for Jurassic Park complaining about the raptors. After Many dinosaur shows in my 18 year career ( a whole bunch never saw the light if day) I realize that getting anything right AT ALL is a massive win. There are so many people and steps involved and so many chances for inaccuracies to occur. I am very proud of what we achieved!!! Although our team was small we pulled off serious miracles! Anyway, the best case scenario is that people enjoy the show, and a bunch if kids get inspired and a bunch of grown ups respect what we ( Paleos and Movie Makers) do for their brains. Oh yea. They should also buy every product advertised during the show. That would help too ;-) D I think you've summed up my own general feelings about productions of this kind (or about almost any publicly released creative output, come to that). Even in the unassuming world of book illustration, a project is laden with dozens of voices, logistics and other influencing factors besides the efforts of the artists and designers alone. It's jolly hard work with many headaches (a gift though it is, I must add) before something comes to fruition and is released upon the world. I have never worked on anything as grand as a feature-length animation, but I understand very well how monumental the process is. I'm one of those few people who sit and watch the end credits of a film (and read them, as fast as I am able) -- especially an animated one -- right through to the very end. We won't please everyone, and of course we expect -- and are immensely grateful for -- critique. But once in a while, it is heartening to know there are folk who have considered what it was like for the creators to get the thing to where it is at all. ;D |
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Post by Sparkleopteryx on Jul 31, 2011 20:51:58 GMT
Its OK, I've tried to prepare myself for the up and coming harsh critiques and eventual flat out complaining. I actually welcome good and productive critiques as it helps me improve as an artist and my knowledge of dinosaurs so I can do even better the next time. Like when you guys help me with my SW models. Its wonderful and I think its good for us to help eachother out in these ways. Paleoartists are a small culture and its good to stick together. Its harder for me to deal with very rude critiques, but thats just because I'm a sensitive type David explains stuff so perfectly. This is my first go around on a project like this and it opened my eyes to the work involved. I have a new appreciation for even a 30 second commercial let alone a film like this. There is SO much involved, SO many people involved sometimes you just don't know whats coming and going. I kept having to write insane lists of where I was on which dinosaur and which was priority, what needed approval, email a consultant to help me on something I didn't know what to do about...and I am just a modeler/texture painter. Most of the time I would look up and see it was 6pm and not even realize time had gone by that fast! Its a frenzy of work, lol!!! Feathers are a complete pain. I know people tend to come down hard on the feather thing, but it really is just technical vs. what we know and want. I think most of it is just people not understanding the work involved and the barriers faced when doing this stuff. They don't understand the technical problems faced, the amount of time you have to do it and the cost involved. I agree with David. Our team was very dedicated and we did some stuff I'm very proud of. We definately gave it our best and I think it will be a wonderful show! Children will definately be inspired by it and hopefully become more interested in science and dinosaurs. Had I seen this stuff as a kid I would have imploded on the spot, lol!!! I think you guys will enjoy it very much. Its different and unique and engaging. And this is a great group, you guys are always wonderful and I'll welcome your thoughts when you see the show
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Post by totoro on Jul 31, 2011 21:07:47 GMT
Well, speaking personally, I just feel so very fortunate to experience the prehistoric world through the eyes and talents of people like you, Angie, and David, and Martin and Niroot and Arioch, and now ingenia (I could go on). I recall as a kid watching this b/w show about some teens/pre-teens traveling on a row boat to a lost world with dinosaurs and being mesmerized. As many here would probably chose, traveling back to the Mesozoic and before in a protective bubble would top my list of things to do with 3 wishes. I know that'll never really happen, but the art that you all produce takes me there in another way, and I'm very thankful for it! |
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Post by dinoguy2 on Aug 1, 2011 0:15:22 GMT
Its ok. We do not have strong evidence of leg feathers in non basal troodontids With Anchiornis falling out as an Archaeopterygid in the most recent study, and the lack of leg feathers in Jinfengopteryx, there might not be any evidence for leg feathers in any troodontid. Definitely too uncertain to consider this an error anyway, especially for very large derived species. |
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Post by neurotic on Aug 1, 2011 6:55:48 GMT
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Post by arioch on Aug 1, 2011 9:29:41 GMT
Its ok. We do not have strong evidence of leg feathers in non basal troodontids With Anchiornis falling out as an Archaeopterygid in the most recent study, and the lack of leg feathers in Jinfengopteryx, there might not be any evidence for leg feathers in any troodontid. Definitely too uncertain to consider this an error anyway, especially for very large derived species. Well I wouldn´t call Troodon "very large" ;D. Didn´t Mei preserve leg feathers? I haven´t checked the fossile but most reconstructions I´ve seen include them. Also, I might be wrong but that around Jinfengopteryx leg looks like wing feathers, though very small...  Whichever the case, it is indeed too uncertain to consider the lack of them an innacuracy, unlike the long primaries and caudal feathers all along the tail... |
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Post by letalivenator on Aug 1, 2011 22:21:27 GMT
I wonder when we can expect more images/trailers ??
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Post by totoro on Aug 2, 2011 0:09:15 GMT
Holy fossils, Batman, I think that's IT!!  OK, once I can make some popcorn I am going to watch that, thanks!! |
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Post by gwangi on Aug 2, 2011 1:30:20 GMT
I remember that movie from my youth as well and I just watched it on YouTube recently. Some of the inaccuracies are hilarious, especially the part where the kid states that pterosaurs are the ancestors of birds.
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Post by neurotic on Aug 2, 2011 12:05:17 GMT
Holy fossils, Batman, I think that's IT!! OK, once I can make some popcorn I am going to watch that, thanks!! You are welcome and have fun! btw. sorry for the off topic... |
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Post by dinoguy2 on Aug 2, 2011 22:50:15 GMT
Well I wouldn´t call Troodon "very large" ;D. Well, it is compared to Anchironis, Xiaotingia, Pedopenna and Microraptor! Mei didn't preserve *any* feathers. It's from the Lujiatun bed, which preserves specimens in 3D, rather than the 2D preservation usually necessary for feather preservation. There are rumors of more mei specimens that preserve feathers, possibly leg feathers, but as they're undescribed it would be impossible to know right now if they're really Mei or not. |
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Post by dinohunter000 on Aug 6, 2011 2:25:15 GMT
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 6, 2011 18:36:30 GMT
Looks interesting.
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Post by DeadToothCrackKnuckle on Aug 6, 2011 23:31:49 GMT
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OK, once I can make some popcorn I am going to watch that, thanks!! 
