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Post by sid on Sept 30, 2011 9:31:56 GMT
Why is so bad now to think that some theropod COULD have hunted in packs?  Oh well, forget it, i don't wanna start another heated discussion about dinosaur behaviour ;D Back in topic! The second episode was rather good, except for the average CG (those bland landscapes, aargh  ); at least we saw Micro, Epi and Sino for the first time on screen, if i'm not mistaken  The Gigantoraptor, well, i liked the DR one much, much more; this one, mh, like almost every other restoration in this show is just... Just very basic, with nothing to make him look more like a real animal  I've yet to see the third episode, though, but judging by the pics, i already dislike the Daspletosaurus: one of his defying features is the lacrimal hornlets, yet in PD they restored it with just a generic tyrannosaurid head! Again, a basic restoration with no real life in it. |
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Post by gwangi on Sept 30, 2011 22:47:26 GMT
Grrr the new episode isn't on youtube. Any other way I could get to see it? This should work for you... www.novamov.com/video/e0a5c03a3d7b7You probably shouldn't have said anything at all than because I don't think I can resist. ;D I'm not totally opposed to pack hunting in theropods but I don't think it was as complicated as pack hunting in modern day mammals such as wolves or lions. When I think of pack hunting dinosaurs I think of piranha or something similar. I'm the last person that will say dinosaurs are dumb but I don't think their brains are programmed like those of pack hunting mammals. I believe dinosaurs were social and that this could be mistaken as pack hunting. The bodies of dromaeosaurs at a kill for example could more easily be explained as social feeding like in vultures and crocodiles than actual pack hunting. Birds and crocodiles are very social animals but only a couple bird species hunt cooperatively and I believe theropods were the same way. I preferred the PD Gigantoraptor, it just looked so real to me. It looked so real in fact that I actually had a dream the other day where humans (myself included) were being hunted and picked off by Gigantoraptors as if they were large chickens picking insects from the lawn. |
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Post by Griffin on Sept 30, 2011 23:27:27 GMT
Thanks Gwangi!
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Post by gwangi on Sept 30, 2011 23:33:37 GMT
No problem, I still have to watch it myself. I'll be sure to report back when I do. |
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Post by Griffin on Oct 1, 2011 0:07:37 GMT
Just watched it. I find it funny how one lone Chasmosaurus can take on 2 or 3 Daspletos but the Centrosaurus seem to drop as soon as the daspleto touches them haha.
The Daspleto "pack" hunting in this didn't bother me. It was basically a group all chasing the same prey. There wasn't any sort of sophisticated coordination going on like you see lions and wolves doing.
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Post by Meso-Cenozoic on Oct 1, 2011 8:37:04 GMT
Thanks Gwangi! But sadly it won't play on my Mac.  (Edit) Aha! Just found it on YouTube. Not in HD, but did get to see it at least. www.youtube.com/watch?v=goGuaeONhXoI keep forgetting that since I switched from PC to Mac recently that RealPlayer is for Windows. |
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Post by pylraster on Oct 1, 2011 9:30:19 GMT
I'm no expert on dino dentition, but in the 3rd episode is it just me or does the Daspletosaurus seem to have hundreds of teeth? Looks like I can comb my hair with it LOL! The teeth seem... too small, numerous, needle-like. Little Das in Dinosaur Planet from many years ago looked so much better. One's gotta wonder what BBC is smoking these days...
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Post by arioch on Oct 1, 2011 10:31:48 GMT
Daspletosaurus teeth were numerous, small and quite even for tyrannosaurs standard....   It seems more or less fine, maybe it has just 3 or 4 teeth more than necessary. (which reminds me that my last drawing is utterly wrong. .) |
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Post by sid on Oct 1, 2011 11:16:09 GMT
To Gwangi: obviously every predatory dinosaur species had it's hunting methods; some were probably solitary hunters (and i think about the bigger guys), while others maybe hunted in pairs or even in groups (at what level of coordination we'll sadly never know)... Heck, for what we know some dinos could have even exceeded modern mammals in terms of hunting strategy ;D I agree with you, though, that living in groups doesn't always equals to hunting in groups... As you said, crocs are very socil yet become VERY territorial when it comes to share a prey |
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Post by gwangi on Oct 1, 2011 12:36:17 GMT
To Gwangi: obviously every predatory dinosaur species had it's hunting methods; some were probably solitary hunters (and i think about the bigger guys), while others maybe hunted in pairs or even in groups (at what level of coordination we'll sadly never know)... Heck, for what we know some dinos could have even exceeded modern mammals in terms of hunting strategy ;D I agree with you, though, that living in groups doesn't always equals to hunting in groups... As you said, crocs are very socil yet become VERY territorial when it comes to share a prey PD addressed the cooperative hunting in a believable way. Sure they took down the prey together but there was no strategy or coordination and when it came time to feed it was fend for yourself. I'm not totally against the idea of group hunting, just not at the level mammals employ it. It just seems like a lot of people want to think of dinosaurs as pack hunters so they see some bones together and automatically think " they must have hunted in packs!" Overall I really liked this PD episode. I liked that the focus was off of Tyrannosaurus for once and the ceratopsians were beautiful to look at. The troodon could have had a bettering coating of feathers but they behaved very bird-like. The episode could have used more Abelisaurs. |
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Post by bfler on Oct 1, 2011 15:53:37 GMT
Besides the Carnivores what irritates me is that they show two different behaviours of the Ceratopsians. On the one side we have the lonely Chasmosaurus which acts like an angry Rhinoceros and attacks even a larger group of enemies. On the other side we have Centrosaurus which lives in groups and acts like a scared wildebeest.
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Post by gwangi on Oct 1, 2011 16:19:06 GMT
Yeah, it seemed like those Centrosaurs were certainly taking a beating. I guess you could say they were just more panicked due to the situation they were in. A stressful migration, bad weather and upcoming river crossing is a lot to deal with and then throw in all those predators too. With the Chasmosaurus the Tyrannosaurs lost the element of surprise and the Ceratopsian probably had the home field advantage without the added stress of a migration. I don't know, sometimes prey animals run and sometimes they fight.
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Post by neovenator08 on Oct 2, 2011 5:45:53 GMT
The animation was good in Episode 3 but I just couldn't stay awake to the end either time I saw it!
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Post by Radman on Oct 2, 2011 9:04:13 GMT
Thanks for posting that link, Gwangi. I watched three episodes of Planet Dinosaur and they were all cool and informative. I actually learned quite a bit from each one. Although perhaps they should have called their series Planet Theropod, given the emphasis of each episode. The stop-motion technique of the Feathered Dragons show was somewhat motion-sickness inducing, unfortunately. Also, it was fun guessing whether John Hurt would pronounce the tyrannosaur as DasPletosaurus or DesPlatosaurus. Kinda like John Goodman in WDRA randomly saying Anototitan or Anatatotitan. Regardless, looking forward to number 4 |
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Post by Krissy on Oct 2, 2011 16:28:44 GMT
I was somewhat disappointed in the latest episode that Daspletosaurus and Majungasaurus used the same sound effects as Spinosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus in the first episode. They were very cool vocalisations and it was a bit of a shame to see them recylced, new ones would have been nice.
Personally, I thought it was interesting how Chasmosaurus and Centrosaurus acted so differently towards Daspletosaurus. It's entirely unknown of course who would have reacted more aggressively to predators, but I just thought it was neat to show how two fairly similar looking dinos (to the general audience at least) could exhbit such different behaviour. Then again I do wish Centrosaurus had put up a little more resistance, they practically leapt into the mouths of the Daspletosaurus'.
I think for me though the highlight of the episode had to be the crocodile suddenly snatching the Centrosaurus and pulling it under. Presumably it would have to be Deinosuchus or some similarly giant croc to accomplish something like that.
I don't know if anyone else caught it, but there's a kid's show on BBC 1 called Planet Dinosaur Files. I came across it randomly the other day, and they actually showed quite a lot of footage for an upcoming episode. It featured *SPOILER ALERT* Mapusaurus attacking Argentinosaurus.
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Post by arioch on Oct 2, 2011 21:38:04 GMT
Why do they only focus in carnivores? is like they were thinking that nobody would be really interested in the biology or "boring" lifestyle of any plant eater ornitischian. WWD already proved the opposite with the Leallynasaura episode.
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Post by gwangi on Oct 3, 2011 0:57:12 GMT
Why do they only focus in carnivores? is like they were thinking that nobody would be really interested in the biology or "boring" lifestyle of any plant eater ornitischian. WWD already proved the opposite with the Leallynasaura episode. They haven't only focused on carnivores, they're focus has been on theropods. There is a big difference as not all theropods were carnivores. I'm mostly being a smart ass though, I understand what you're saying and i agree. |
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Post by arioch on Oct 3, 2011 1:03:09 GMT
Not only theropods: the next episode features Predator X I think , another "Killer" of the sea... its like in Monsters resurrected, they seem to have some kind of fetish with carnivore, mean looking fellas. The plant eaters here are just extras which squeal and die when they are told to. |
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Post by gwangi on Oct 3, 2011 3:57:13 GMT
Not only theropods: the next episode features Predator X I think , another "Killer" of the sea... its like in Monsters resurrected, they seem to have some kind of fetish with carnivore, mean looking fellas. The plant eaters here are just extras which squeal and die when they are told to. Well sure. The same goes for nature documentaries. How many shows exist about gazelles and buffalo compared to lions or crocodiles. Predators are just more charismatic. I agree though, herbivores should get more screen time, I guess the general public just doesn't appreciate them as much. I would rather see herbivorous dinosaurs than marine reptiles in a show called " Planet DINOSAUR". |
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Post by Horridus on Oct 3, 2011 21:17:34 GMT
I would rather see herbivorous dinosaurs than marine reptiles in a show called " Planet DINOSAUR". This. Although you know you'd get a lot of derpy reviewers saying things like "WHERE WERE TEH SEA DINOSAURS!11!" and "WHERE WERE TEH PTERODACTYLS!?!" if marine reptiles and pterosaurs weren't included. We are at least promised an episode focussing on Argentinosaurus in the future. |
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); at least we saw Micro, Epi and Sino for the first time on screen, if i'm not mistaken 
