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Post by Dan on Sept 14, 2011 21:11:40 GMT
Holy crap, it's John Hurt that narrates it? He is the man.
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Post by Krissy on Sept 14, 2011 21:15:22 GMT
Sure is, vast improvement over Kenneth Brannagh.
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Post by Horridus on Sept 14, 2011 21:44:20 GMT
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Post by Krissy on Sept 14, 2011 22:28:06 GMT
Good review in the blog, think I agreed with pretty much everything in it, although I'd probably be a little more forgiving, what with my love for the BBC. I will say this for the show - it made me love Spinosaurus again. Silly as it may be, but I used to love Spino, but Jurassic Park 3 and the subsequent overhype really turned me off him. But to see him hunting and hauling giant 8m sawfish out of the water really captured my imagination. It's nice to see the animal being properly appreciated.
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Post by dinohunter0000 on Sept 15, 2011 3:06:34 GMT
Saw the first episode as well. I'm really loving the ''explaining the evidence'' bits!! It saves me a lot of breath when trying to explain the evidence everytime I make my girlfriend watch a dino show Lol
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Post by Gorgonopsid on Sept 15, 2011 3:41:49 GMT
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Post by Horridus on Sept 15, 2011 9:20:37 GMT
Silly as it may be, but I used to love Spino, but Jurassic Park 3 and the subsequent overhype really turned me off him. But to see him hunting and hauling giant 8m sawfish out of the water really captured my imagination. It's nice to see the animal being properly appreciated. Oh definitely. Actually I did mention that in the review - that it was pleasing to see Spinosaurs acting appropriately, rather than chucking fully-grown Rugops about and causing minor seismic shocks with every footstep. And now one of the writers has commented. Guilt time! |
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Post by neovenator08 on Sept 15, 2011 17:46:04 GMT
I enjoyed this, the CGI wasn't as good as some shows, but I loved how they explained how they discovered things about the dinosaurs. ;D
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Post by paleoferroequine on Sept 15, 2011 18:45:37 GMT
Just got through watching the first episode, and I thought it was pretty good. It's a different style than Dinosaur Revolution but I liked both shows. And the CG is quite adequate. How many episodes are there?
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Post by arioch on Sept 15, 2011 19:46:06 GMT
Yep, the animation was a bit lacking. And it had some of this unnecessary violent and awkward moments typical in dino "documentaries", like the carcharodontosaurus fight -sometimes even embarasssing. It felt a bit bland compared to DR, but way more realistic. Really liked how seriously they took the animals behaviour evidence. And Mr Hurt rules, even when he kept referring continuously to the predators as "Killers" (well, they have to eat! no need to label them that way sir).
By the way Horridus, please ask that writter which "expert" told them that theropods could do with their wrists what the Spino did. I want him banned from the paleo club.
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Post by Himmapaan on Sept 15, 2011 19:51:51 GMT
Yep, the animation was a bit lacking. And it had some of this unnecessary violent and awkward moments typical in dino "documentaries", like the carcharodontosaurus fight -sometimes even embarasssing. It felt a bit bland compared to DR, but way more realistic. Really liked how seriously they took the animals behaviour evidence. And Mr Hurt rules, even when he kept referring continuously to the predators as "Killers" (well, they have to eat! no need to label them that way sir). By the way Horridus, please ask that writter which "expert" told them that theropods could do with their wrists what the Spino did. I want him banned from the paleo club. I think 'killers' was the scriptwriters' doing, rather than Mr Hurt's. But I'm with you on that one (see my comment on Marc's blog post). I also imagine that no expert actually told anyone that theropods could pronate their wrists. I think Mr 'Tommo' simply meant that experts were consulted for the series. The pronation must have been another of those slip-ups during the process. |
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Post by paleoferroequine on Sept 15, 2011 20:31:58 GMT
Yep, the animation was a bit lacking. And it had some of this unnecessary violent and awkward moments typical in dino "documentaries", like the carcharodontosaurus fight -sometimes even embarasssing. It felt a bit bland compared to DR, but way more realistic. Really liked how seriously they took the animals behaviour evidence. And Mr Hurt rules, even when he kept referring continuously to the predators as "Killers" (well, they have to eat! no need to label them that way sir). By the way Horridus, please ask that writter which "expert" told them that theropods could do with their wrists what the Spino did. I want him banned from the paleo club. Well I'm looking at the image right now and the wrists are not pronated, the palms are more or less facing each other with maybe a slight angle downwards due to weight. Looks ok to me.   |
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Post by arioch on Sept 15, 2011 20:36:21 GMT
Well its not like I´m implying that Mr Hurt had some responsability in it, I think you know what I mean (his voice is the writters thoughts).  I re-readed Tommos comment and he says (adressing to Marc): "Sorry you didn't enjoy Spino's forelimbs, but our reconstruction was based on a LOT of expert advice, which can certainly diverge a little, especially on dinosaurs with as little post cranial material as Spino" ...So basically sounds like hes directly blaming the advisors for the pronated limbs thing. Rather than " we did it that way because nobody told us that it couldnt happen ". Either way, not a big deal...I consider it a minor flaw ( paleo, most of the time the Spino hands were non pronated, except when it used them to disembowl the fish and fight the carcharo. Basically they had human like flexibility) BTW, subtitles? problems to grasp brit accent? ;D |
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Post by Krissy on Sept 15, 2011 20:50:03 GMT
...So basically sounds like hes directly blaming the advisors for the pronated limbs thing. Not really, sounded to me more like he was saying, "'we did the best we could with what we had but screwed up'. I was glad to see (well, hear) the use of original sound effects for the dinos. Sometimes stock noises crept in but I'd say the majority of the animal's vocals were new, which I appreciated. |
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Post by Himmapaan on Sept 15, 2011 20:55:19 GMT
That I took to be the case too, Krissy. But again, I may be too lenient as usual. ;D
I liked the Ouranosaurus' calls. And I must say, its movements as it lay dying -- much as they distressed me ( ;D ) were among the better bits of animation, I thought.
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Post by paleoferroequine on Sept 15, 2011 21:19:39 GMT
...So basically sounds like hes directly blaming the advisors for the pronated limbs thing. Rather than " we did it that way because nobody told us that it couldnt happen ". Either way, not a big deal...I consider it a minor flaw ( paleo, most of the time the Spino hands were non pronated, except when it used them to disembowl the fish and fight the carcharo. Basically they had human like flexibility) BTW, subtitles? problems to grasp brit accent? ;D Yeah, your right, I just went through frame by frame and during the carcharo fight it's iffy but the scene with the disemboweling of the fish they are pronated and also after it steals the Ouranosaurus and it tears into it, the hands go pronated again. So a slight regression there.  I needed the subtitles because I'm not used to that weird accent, I have no problem with Monty Python English, but this proper stuff, meh, I don't know! ;D No, really, I just forgot to turn them off when I did the screen grab.  |
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Post by Horridus on Sept 15, 2011 22:04:22 GMT
Tom wasn't blaming the advisors, he was just defending the animals' anatomy on the grounds that they consulted with scientists. They still got it wrong in that instance, but like Arioch said it's pretty minor (it's not constant bunny-hands or anything).
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Post by arioch on Sept 15, 2011 22:27:35 GMT
I don´t know, at first his response sounded a bit harsh to me, but maybe it was a wrong impresion.
Hey, at least they probably won´t make it again as long they keep the same writers team.
Pity they only used 4 dinosaur species by the way (oh and the... speculative? pterosaur)
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Post by Dan on Sept 15, 2011 23:32:33 GMT
Looks good to me so far. I found the informational tidbits to be impressive, how they're graphically displayed and so on. At the same time, they seem to break up the scenes too frequently, even more than the "talking head" sequences in DR. This is where I think WwD did the right thing, by letting the narrator explain things without any visual aid. It keeps the viewer more deeply immersed, I think.
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Post by gwangi on Sept 16, 2011 1:57:51 GMT
Initially I thought I would prefer PD over DR but after seeing the first episode of this and the first two of DR I'll have to change my mind. PD was good but it wasn't anything spectacular...just another dino documentary really. The CG was good but not as good as DR, the environments were lacking and the look of the animals less exciting. PD was more informative and I liked that and of course John Hurt helps too but when a rainy day comes along and I decide to re-watch one of these I'll pick DR or even WWD over PD. Though the movements of the animals in DR looked off (particularly the marine animals) I felt they looked worse in PD, the movements all looked jerky and mechanical, less fluid than that of the animals in DR. Overall PD has more to offer education wise but DR has more in terms of entertainment value. I'm still looking forward to future episodes and perhaps I'll change my mind again, what we really need is a documentary that combines the two and like WWD never cuts away from the action.
I'll have to agree with Krissy. Any love I had for spinosaurus was lost with JP 3...not the dinosaurs fault of course but I felt over saturated with inaccurate spinosaurs. Seeing a spinosaur act the way it probably did here on PD really helped restore my love for the animal.
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