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Post by roselaar on Dec 23, 2011 20:38:58 GMT
Wow, someone has been looking to Papo for inspiration on surface detail... Some of these paint jobs are okay, but otherwise they're more of the same. Literally, since they're mostly repaints, and not so much resculpts. Schleich lets us down again. Or still, depending on whether you got your hopes up or not. ;D
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Post by amanda on Dec 23, 2011 21:11:45 GMT
Meh. These days I discount both Bullyland and Schleich, as they are not consistent in releasing figures. If they do, fine. If not, no surprise. Schleich is more of an annoyance and disappoint to me than Papo, though.Unlike Papo, Schliech DOES claim museum quality figures, which they emphatically are not.
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Post by DinoLord on Dec 23, 2011 22:25:48 GMT
Schleich figures that don't look like the horrible lovechild between an over-weight 50's children's book dinosaur and a giant lizard? I never thought I'd live to see the day...
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Post by stoneage on Dec 24, 2011 2:38:35 GMT
What goes into which genus is a matter of art, not science. Few people would bother publishing a paper based on something which comes down to personal preference (the Giraffatitan paper was an exception and was criticized for it). Oh, I was only messing around (based on my continual references to the Giraffatitan paper). I did note that some people do have that opinion. There's certainly variety between Apatosaurus species too, with some being notably more robust than others. Surely it'd be very difficult to judge either way whether one or the other was a sexual morph if they lived contemporaneously? Unless they find one with an egg or something like that. If Brontosaurus ends up being resurrected, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Just as long as they don't follow Greg Paul's idea and have it as a 'subgenus' of Apatosaurus... ;D Publish a paper, your the writer. I guess I'll have to pick between Bob Bakker, who studied at Yale under John Ostrum and got his Ph.D from Harvard, and you with a Bachelors Degree in Journalism from what University was it. Of course we would also have to consider all his work, books, teaching anatomy at John Hopkins University , work on Jurassic Park,etc etc. and your work on the Chasmosaurus thing! I'll go with Brontosaurus, I think!
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Post by rsknol on Dec 24, 2011 4:25:43 GMT
Thanks for picture posting. Schliech product pictures are not always representative of the actual figure. So we will have to wait for the details. Schleich has two strengths marketing and quality control. The articulation is a big change in direction. They would not have done it without a strong business rational. My guess is that it is directed at Papo and Bullyland in the German home market. There is a perception in the EU that the figure market is driven by kids and the preschool market is the healthiest part of that market. Originally Safari was seen as the big Schliech competitor and the choice of figures, not designs, copied the Safari line. This helped get them into the US market. They are going head to head with Bullyland in Germany and the arrangement for joint marketing they had with Papo is no longer operative. My guess is Schleich is focused on the EU market. That they remodeled their existing figures instead of creating new ones is an interesting approach. Reminds me of the Marx mold groups and the almost undetectable changes they had. They must have marketing research that says this is attractive to current Schleich customers. It makes them compatible with the retired figures maybe? What I think is ironic is that Bullyland and Schleich have gone for articulation when Papo has decided to abandon that approach. The people at LeToy who make Papo are also very atuned to the market. Large, brightly colored and semi articulated figures are thought to appeal to younger children. Papo has also shown there is a market expensive detailed movie figures. Perhaps they are conceding the educational market to Safari and CollectA? Or they are not concerned about the US market?
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Post by Griffin on Dec 24, 2011 6:34:01 GMT
Oh, I was only messing around (based on my continual references to the Giraffatitan paper). I did note that some people do have that opinion. There's certainly variety between Apatosaurus species too, with some being notably more robust than others. Surely it'd be very difficult to judge either way whether one or the other was a sexual morph if they lived contemporaneously? Unless they find one with an egg or something like that. If Brontosaurus ends up being resurrected, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Just as long as they don't follow Greg Paul's idea and have it as a 'subgenus' of Apatosaurus... ;D Publish a paper, your the writer. I guess I'll have to pick between Bob Bakker, who studied at Yale under John Ostrum and got his Ph.D from Harvard, and you with a Bachelors Degree in Journalism from what University was it. Of course we would also have to consider all his work, books, teaching anatomy at John Hopkins University , work on Jurassic Park,etc etc. and your work on the Chasmosaurus thing! I'll go with Brontosaurus, I think! I'm pretty sure there are credible paleontologists who go against the idea as well though. If there weren't Brontosaurus would be a commonly thrown around term nowadays but its not.
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Post by Mauro "Raptor86" on Dec 24, 2011 10:10:51 GMT
Bullyland
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Post by ikessauro on Dec 24, 2011 11:01:03 GMT
Bullyland I'm assuming these are Therizinosaurus and Spinosaurus, right? They are very good I think... probably will get them.
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Post by dinodinkies on Dec 24, 2011 11:17:24 GMT
I want that feathery one.
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Post by amanda on Dec 24, 2011 11:17:50 GMT
The Theri is...interesting. That spino though. Looks like it is on something. Although, it does look a bit better than Schleich's I think. No giant clown feet, and the hands don't look too broken. Hard to ell, but it looks like they got the center crest there too. Hmm. Never gonna buy it, but still.
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Post by Seijun on Dec 24, 2011 11:26:25 GMT
At least they gave it a spinosaurus head, as opposed to a JP crocisaurus head. That alone automatically makes it more correct than almost all other spino toys. It's a shame they gave it googley-eyes though.
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Post by ikessauro on Dec 24, 2011 11:33:34 GMT
At least they gave it a spinosaurus head, as opposed to a JP crocisaurus head. That alone automatically makes it more correct than almost all other spino toys. It's a shame they gave it googley-eyes though. The eyes can be easily fixes with some painting I think... Is it just me or you guys think that its color remind of the Planet Dinosaur Spinosaurus? EDIT: Seems like it's more like the Carcha paint scheme...
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Post by Seijun on Dec 24, 2011 11:44:41 GMT
Also, it appears to have only one broken wrist!
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Post by fooman666 on Dec 24, 2011 11:47:13 GMT
the new bullyland figures look ok to me ;D. still probably won't buy them though
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Post by roselaar on Dec 24, 2011 13:18:37 GMT
That's more like it, Germany! Not brilliant, but definitely more interesting than Schleich. The Theri looks pretty good, and I like the Spino but it's obvious Bullyland still can't get eyes right ever. I'll probably be getting both of these.
Will this be all for Bullyland in 2012?
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Post by mihnea on Dec 24, 2011 14:02:19 GMT
Most probably those are the only releases from Bully for next year. The Spino is awful compared to Carnegie and the Theri looks clownish comapred to CollectA(which is also cheaper).
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Post by sbell on Dec 24, 2011 14:03:25 GMT
;D Publish a paper, your the writer. I guess I'll have to pick between Bob Bakker, who studied at Yale under John Ostrum and got his Ph.D from Harvard, and you with a Bachelors Degree in Journalism from what University was it. Of course we would also have to consider all his work, books, teaching anatomy at John Hopkins University , work on Jurassic Park,etc etc. and your work on the Chasmosaurus thing! I'll go with Brontosaurus, I think! Well, there's nothing like an ad hominem attack to support a poorly-reasoned argument. Scientists--the vast majority--have accepted the current evidence that the genus Brontosaurus is likely invalid. Deal with it. Things change. Just like when there was a time when people listened to what Bob Bakker had to say. Those were heady times, back in the 90s. You know, 20 years ago. The science has moved forward.
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Post by sid on Dec 24, 2011 14:09:33 GMT
And again, Sbell, it looks like you have a sort of personal grudge against Bakker... Bah, to each his own, i guess! Back to the 2012 figures, those Bullysaurs are not bad, even if the typical downsides of Bully's models appear on these two guys too (bigass eyes and too much rounded teeth); however this won't stop me to buy 'em when i'll have the chance, probably.
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Post by postsaurischian on Dec 24, 2011 14:33:19 GMT
Bullyland ....... hm, I don't think I wanna talk about them anymore. Problem in Germany is that a vast majority of the people here think that Dinosaurs were a thing only for children. Ditto for comic books, animated cartoons, pop music and so on, and so on . This might be the reason for the quality of German products in these categories. Schleich ....... the Triceratops is a shame!! The Apatosaurus could work as a baby for the Sideshow model . I have to think about that.
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Post by primeval12 on Dec 24, 2011 14:48:06 GMT
That spinosaurus id awesome!!!!!
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