What would you want SAFARI Ltd. to do?

[kuni]

An African Lungfish would also make for a good choice. Perhaps Safari should do a full-on Prehistoric Fish Toob, and find some way to combine reptiles and amphbians ("Before the Dinosarus" toob)

OK, here goes on early reptiles:

Arizonasaurus
Lotosaurus
Desmatosuchus
Postosuchus (of course)
Placerias
Gorgonops
Sphenacodon

for those who haven't seen one, here's Lotosaurus:

[kuni]

Sept 12, 2009 19:27:07 GMT [][][]cordylus[][][] said:

How about gerrothorax?

I'm all for an orthacanthus-- But not if it wipes xenacanthus of the list.

Look at it this way, CT - if Safari makes an Orthacanthus, it'll be possible to get both thanks to the Kaiyodo Xenacanthus.

I just really love the pose in the artwork I posted - all the xenacanthus pictures on the 'net look a little dull.

[kuni]

It seems like prehistoric fish stand alone a little better because of sharks.

Here's the way I would do it:
"Prehistoric Fish"
Cephalaspis
Dunkleosteus
Hyneria
Tiktaalik
Helicoprion
Orthacanthus
Stethacanthus
Xiphactinus
Alligator Gar
African Lungfish

"Before the Dinosaurs"
Lotosaurus
Desmatosuchus
Postosuchus
Gorgonops
Sphenacodon
Acanthostega
Crassigyrinus
Mastodonsaurus
Diplocaulus
Platyhystrix

[Griffin]

Hmmm. What about an estemmenosuchus or a scuto in there instead of the crassigytinus, mastodonosaurus or acanthostega? Those three seem sort of similar in their general body type to me. Everything else looks golden. Just my 2 cents.

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

Cassygyrinus and mastodonsaurus DO NOT look anything alike. Unless you think eels look like lizards. Srsly man zomg!

And acanthostega is unique because it has so many digits.

[Griffin]

Yeah but all three of those things together...seriously zomg . Maybe if the acanthostega was booted, replaced with one of the species i mentioned, the other two would be fine. Eels and lizards, from a distance can look similar, hate to break it to you. Look at it from a simplistic perspective. Long, low to the ground bodies, short sprawled legs, big heads....Like you said the target buyers are little kids. Unlike the dimetro/platy situation, these are two or three animals that are in the same toob together. Not many kids and much less parents are going to be counting toes. The more variety, the better.

[kuni]

I think Estemmenosuchus has potential - I'd drop either Acanthostega, Desmatosuchus, or Lotosaurus. Acanthostega IS a little boring, and the last two are obscure (though morphologically awesome!).

Crassigyrinus and Mastodonsaurus look hardly similar, though! Go look at their Wikipedia pages again!

[Tyrannax]

Sept 12, 2009 20:08:07 GMT Griffin said:

Yeah but all three of those things together...seriously zomg . Maybe if the acanthostega was booted, replaced with one of the species i mentioned, the other two would be fine. Eels and lizards, from a distance can look similar, hate to break it to you. Look at it from a simplistic perspective. Long, low to the ground bodies, short sprawled legs, big heads....Like you said the target buyers are little kids. Unlike the dimetro/platy situation, these are two or three animals that are in the same toob together. Not many kids and much less parents are going to be counting toes. The more variety, the better.

By that logic the carnivorous dinosaur tube has heaps of animals that look almost identical. ;D Seriously, theropods can often times be very close in appearance. But yes, the more variety, the better.

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

Sept 12, 2009 20:08:07 GMT Griffin said:

Yeah but all three of those things together...seriously zomg . Maybe if the acanthostega was booted, replaced with one of the species i mentioned, the other two would be fine. Eels and lizards, from a distance can look similar, hate to break it to you. Look at it from a simplistic perspective. Long, low to the ground bodies, short sprawled legs, big heads....Like you said the target buyers are little kids. Unlike the dimetro/platy situation, these are two or three animals that are in the same toob together. Not many kids and much less parents are going to be counting toes. The more variety, the better.

K. Crsasigyrinus has like, no legs basically. And a little tail. And a huge head and like no neck. How that looks like a lizard, even from a distance, is beyond me... And crassigyrinus wasn't a land going thing either, it was strictly water bound.

[Griffin]

Sept 12, 2009 20:21:01 GMT Tyrannax said:

Sept 12, 2009 20:08:07 GMT Griffin said:

Yeah but all three of those things together...seriously zomg . Maybe if the acanthostega was booted, replaced with one of the species i mentioned, the other two would be fine. Eels and lizards, from a distance can look similar, hate to break it to you. Look at it from a simplistic perspective. Long, low to the ground bodies, short sprawled legs, big heads....Like you said the target buyers are little kids. Unlike the dimetro/platy situation, these are two or three animals that are in the same toob together. Not many kids and much less parents are going to be counting toes. The more variety, the better.

By that logic the carnivorous dinosaur tube has heaps of animals that look almost identical. ;D Seriously, theropods can often times be very close in appearance. But yes, the more variety, the better.

Keep in mind that the therapods is a group of animals that the general public is a lot more familiar with. Allosaurus and T-rex will look similar when they are both sitting there in the form of little plastic toys that are the same size, but most kids who like dinosaurs, will know the difference easily. These amphibian critters on the other hand aren't exactly in the arsenal of off the top of the head animals for most kids.

[stoneage]

Bell I think it would be nice if they did all the Playvision Amphibians since most of us will never get them all. Jawless Fish Cephalaspis since I don't know if we'll ever get the Starlux one. There are many great pre-triassic fish. The Lepospondyls Diadectes would be good and a Early reptile Pareiasaurus to go with Scutosaurus.

[kuni]

JEB, a lot of your suggestions look a lot like each other. Maybe pick the most morphologically distinct ones out?

(for instances, ornithosuchus looks a ton like postosuchus at that scale, ditto for coccosteus and dunkleosteus)

In cases where there are a lot of morphologically similar animals, it makes sense to go with the one the general public is most likely to have run into. Unfamiliar animals need to be as morphologically divergent (ie. "weird) as possible.

[Megaraptor]

My five for WS:
Ticinosuchus
Camptosaurus
Einiosaurus(surprised Procon doesn't have one)
Geosaurus
Meganeura
Didn't bother with pics, figured most people wuld know what they are and I am rubbish at posting pics.

[Griffin]

I always wished Carnegie or WS would come out with a good 1:40 Chasmosaurus. Some of those neat armored dinosaurs like Gastonia or Edmontonia would also be cool to see from them. A gorgonopsid would also be really good.

[kuni]

We're not doing WS lists right now, guys - sbell is soliciting for fish,amphibian, and reptiles for toobs. Check a page or so back in the thread.

Dinosaur suggestions will fall on deaf ears right now, as will non-toob suggestions.

[sarcasmosaur]

I want a troodont or an alvarezsaur. Popular as theropods in general are, nobody seems to touch those two clades. I am thinking an elegant Saurornithoides, an adorable Jinfengopteryx, or a charmingly-weird Mononykus; what's not to love?

Also more ceratopsids that aren't Triceratops or Styracosaurus, and more pterosaurs that aren't Pteranodon or Quetzalcoatlus (unless the latter is in a ground-hunting mega-stork look-a-giraffe-in-the-eye pose, that would be cool).

And I will also put my vote behind terror birds and Lambeosaurus (especially a to-scale L. laticaudus, holy cow).


ALSO: a properly-proportioned Majungasaurus would be easy to balance, ha:
shartman.deviantart.com/art/Majungasaurus-87892198
And maybe some "proto-mammal" type therapsids, how cool would one of these be:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pristeroognathus_DB.jpg

[john2xtheman]

Sept 12, 2009 21:50:31 GMT kuni said:

JEB, a lot of your suggestions look a lot like each other. Maybe pick the most morphologically distinct ones out?

(for instances, ornithosuchus looks a ton like postosuchus at that scale, ditto for coccosteus and dunkleosteus)

In cases where there are a lot of morphologically similar animals, it makes sense to go with the one the general public is most likely to have run into. Unfamiliar animals need to be as morphologically divergent (ie. "weird) as possible.

Following kuni's advice to narrow down the types to what I think would have the best chance of getting made,here's what I came up with:


Inostrancevia (the large gorgonopsid that was just referred to informally as a "gorgonopsid" in BBC's "Walking with Monsters")

The previously suggested Placerias (a dicynodont that appeared in BBC's "Walking with Dinosaurs")

Edaphosaurus (a well known fin backed pelycosaur that appeared in BBC's "Walking with Monsters")

the previously suggested Sphenacodon (another pelycosaur,but with a more fearsome appearance)

Euparkeria (a well known archosaur that appeared in BBC's "Walking with Monsters")

the previously suggested Postosuchus (a rauisuchian that appeared in both BBC's "Walking with Dinosaurs" and "Dinosaurs Alive!" )

Anteosaurus (a predatory dinocephalian)

Moschops (a herbivorous dinocephalian)

the previously suggested Desmatosuchus (an aetosaur that appeared in the The Discovery Channel's "When Dinosaurs Roamed America")


As for the fish,I'll let those members who know more about them than I do handle that one.

[[][][]cordylus[][][]]

Permian toob.

Gorgonops, scutosaur (duh!), peltobatrachus, lystrosaur, procynosuchus, milleretta. I. Would. DIE.

If they did a toob like that, in the same kaiyodo-quality as next year's amrine life toob, wow....

[Griffin]

Sept 13, 2009 0:38:24 GMT sarcasmosaur said:

I want a troodont or an alvarezsaur. Popular as theropods in general are, nobody seems to touch those two clades. I am thinking an elegant Saurornithoides, an adorable Jinfengopteryx, or a charmingly-weird Mononykus; what's not to love?

Also more ceratopsids that aren't Triceratops or Styracosaurus, and more pterosaurs that aren't Pteranodon or Quetzalcoatlus (unless the latter is in a ground-hunting mega-stork look-a-giraffe-in-the-eye pose, that would be cool).

And I will also put my vote behind terror birds and Lambeosaurus (especially a to-scale L. laticaudus, holy cow).


ALSO: a properly-proportioned Majungasaurus would be easy to balance, ha:
shartman.deviantart.com/art/Majungasaurus-87892198
And maybe some "proto-mammal" type therapsids, how cool would one of these be:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pristeroognathus_DB.jpg

Aw man were majungasaurus legs really that short? Poop, I did an illustration of it a while back I just got watermarked with normal therapod proportions. Is that hard fact or speculation?

[sbell]

Sept 13, 2009 1:24:35 GMT Griffin said:

Sept 13, 2009 0:38:24 GMT sarcasmosaur said:

I want a troodont or an alvarezsaur. Popular as theropods in general are, nobody seems to touch those two clades. I am thinking an elegant Saurornithoides, an adorable Jinfengopteryx, or a charmingly-weird Mononykus; what's not to love?

Also more ceratopsids that aren't Triceratops or Styracosaurus, and more pterosaurs that aren't Pteranodon or Quetzalcoatlus (unless the latter is in a ground-hunting mega-stork look-a-giraffe-in-the-eye pose, that would be cool).

And I will also put my vote behind terror birds and Lambeosaurus (especially a to-scale L. laticaudus, holy cow).


ALSO: a properly-proportioned Majungasaurus would be easy to balance, ha:
shartman.deviantart.com/art/Majungasaurus-87892198
And maybe some "proto-mammal" type therapsids, how cool would one of these be:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pristeroognathus_DB.jpg

Aw man were majungasaurus legs really that short? Poop, I did an illustration of it a while back I just got watermarked with normal therapod proportions. Is that hard fact or speculation?

I'm not really looking closely for now, since I will wait to assess everything at once, but please--as I believe was mentioned, I am not at all interested in the dinos, pterosaurs or marine reptiles. I have been asked about fish, amphibians and early reptiles for toobs. Leave these others out of it (even thought they may be cool and all, it isn't what I am looking for).