What would you want SAFARI Ltd. to do?

[Megaraptor]

New toobs:
FISH
Dunkleosteus
Leedsichthys
Xiphactinus
Stethacanthus
Tiktaalik
Bothriolepis
Nostolepis
Eusthenopteron
Mimia
Panderichthys
Hyneria

EARLY SEA LIFE
Brontoscorpio
Eurypterid
Cephalaspis
Anomalocaris
Hallucigenia
Opabina
Pikaia
Wiwaxia
Orthocone

DEVONIAN-CARBONIFEROUS
Arthropleura
Acanthostega
Westholiana
Hylonomus
Petrolacosaurus
Mesolithe
Meganeura
Crassygirhinus
Pulmunoscorpio(how did I remember that one?)

PERMIAN
Dimetrodon
Scutosaurus
Elginia
Lotosaurus
Sphenacodon
Mastodonsaurus
Esstemenosuchus
Anteosaurus
Moschops
Diplocaulus
Edaphosaurus
Lycaneops
Diictodon

DAWN OF THE DINOSAURS
Cynognathus
Tanystropheus
Nothosaurus
Lystrosaurus
Lagosuchus
Erythrosuchus
Longisquama(sans ridiculous scales)
Eoraptor
Herrerasaurus
Pisanosaurus

LATE TRIASSIC
Procompsognathus
Postosuchus
Coelophysis
Placerias
Antetonitrus
Rutiodon
Plateosaurus
Liliensternus
Ornithosuchus
Isanosaurus

EARLY JURASSIC
Scelidosaurus
Anchisaurus
Scutellosaurus
Massospondylus
Heterodontosaurus
Barapasaurus
Dilophosaurus
Cryolophosaurus

MIDDLE JURASSIC
Cetiosaurus
Huayangosaurus
Megalosaurus
Shunosaurus
Monolophosaurus
Eustreptospondylus
Yandusaurus
Piatnitzkysaurus
Atlasaurus
Rhoetosaurus
Ozraptor
Brachytracheopan
Lexovisaurus

LATE JURASSIC
Dacentrurus
Kentrosaurus
Camptosaurus
Yangchuanosaurus
Mamenchisaurus
Lusotitan
Compsognathus
Elaphrosaurus
Cetiosauriscus
Scansoriopteryx

MORRISON FORMATION
Apatosaurus
Allosaurus
Brachiosaurus
Stegosaurus
Diplodocus
Ceratosaurus
Mymoorapelta
Coelurus
Torvosaurus
Dryosaurus
Ornitholestes
Koparion

EARLY CRETACEOUS
Utahraptor
Polacanthus
Iguanodon
Hypsilophodon
Suchomimus
Valdoraptor
Baryonyx
Nigersaurus
Eotyrannus
Acrocanthosaurus
Minmi
Tenontosaurus
Sarcosuchus
Amargasaurus
Deinonychus

LIAONING
Mei
Sinornithosaurus
Caudipteryx
Beipiaosaurus
Dilong
Psittacosaurus
Protarchaeopteryx
Xiongguanlong
Probactrosaurus
Wuerhosaurus
Repenomamus
Archaeoceratops

MIDDLE CRETACEOUS
Deltadromeus
Carcharodontosaurus
Spinosaurus
Ouranosaurus
Rebbacisaurus
Giganotosaurus
Argentinosaurus
Bactrosaurus
Segnosaurus
Talarurus
Nothronychus
Zuniceratops

AUSTRALIA
Walgettosuchus
Timimus
Australovenator
Rapator
Austrosaurus
Muttaburrasaurus
Leaellynasaura
Atlascopcosaurus
Qantassaurus
dwarf Allosaur
Diamantinasaurus
Wintonotitan
Minmi
Koolasuchus

GOBI DESERT
Tarbosaurus
Mononykus
Gallimimus
Velociraptor
Protoceratops
Nemegtosaurus
Oviraptor
Saurolophus
Gigantoraptor
Therizenosaurus
Prenocephale
Saichania
Opisthocoelicaudia

JUDITH RIVER
Albertosaurus
Dromiceiomimus
Troodon
Edmontonia
Euoplocephalus
Brachylophosaurus
Parasaurolophus
Lambeosaurus
Corythosaurus
Hypacrosaurus
Stegoceras
Centrosaurus
Styracosaurus
Pachyrhinosaurus
Chasmosaurus
Pteranodon

HELL CREEK
T-rex
Ornithomimus
Ankylosaurus
Orodromeus
Thescelosaurus
Maiasaura
Edmontosaurus
Hypacrosaurus
Pachycephalosaurus
Torosaurus
Triceratops
Quetzalcoatlus

PATAGONIA
Aucasaurus
Megaraptor
Carnotaurus
Noasaurus
Velocisaurus
Achillesaurus
Austroraptor
Argyrosaurus
Saltasaurus
Talenkauen

LATE CRETACEOUS
Masiakasaurus
Rajasaurus
Rapetosaurus
Isisaurus
Struthiomimus
Betasuchus
Pentaceratops
Tsintaosaurus
Shantungosaurus

PTEROSAURS
Pteranodon
Quetzalcoatlus
Pterodactylus
Rhamphorhynchus
Dsungariperus
Pterodaustro
Azdarcho
Tapejara
Ornithocheirus
Sordes
Anurognathus

SEA MONSTERS 1
Metriorhynchus
Liopleurodon
Shonisaurus
Ichthyosaurus
Peloneustes
Tylosaurus
Cryptocleidus
Temnodontosaurus
Mosasaurus
Woolungasaurus

SEA MONSTERS 2
Kronosaurus
Ophthalmosaurus
Plesiosaurus
Pliosaurus
Elasmosaurus
Mixosaurus
Cymbospondylus
Dolichorhynchops
Futabasaurus
Hydrotherosaurus

[sbell]

Sept 13, 2009 2:37:52 GMT Megaraptor said:

New toobs:
FISH
Dunkleosteus
Leedsichthys
Xiphactinus
Stethacanthus
Tiktaalik
Bothriolepis
Nostolepis
Eusthenopteron
Mimia
Panderichthys
Hyneria

EARLY SEA LIFE
Brontoscorpio
Eurypterid
Cephalaspis
Anomalocaris
Hallucigenia
Opabina
Pikaia
Wiwaxia
Orthocone

DEVONIAN-CARBONIFEROUS
Arthropleura
Acanthostega
Westholiana
Hylonomus
Petrolacosaurus
Mesolithe
Meganeura
Crassygirhinus
Pulmunoscorpio(how did I remember that one?)

PERMIAN
Dimetrodon
Scutosaurus
Elginia
Lotosaurus
Sphenacodon
Mastodonsaurus
Esstemenosuchus
Anteosaurus
Moschops
Diplocaulus
Edaphosaurus
Lycaneops
Diictodon

DAWN OF THE DINOSAURS
Cynognathus
Tanystropheus
Nothosaurus
Lystrosaurus
Lagosuchus
Erythrosuchus
Longisquama(sans ridiculous scales)
Eoraptor
Herrerasaurus
Pisanosaurus

LATE TRIASSIC
Procompsognathus
Postosuchus
Coelophysis
Placerias
Antetonitrus
Rutiodon
Plateosaurus
Liliensternus
Ornithosuchus
Isanosaurus

>:(I'm about to get very annoyed. What part of 'leave out the dinos, pterosaurs and marine reptiles' is so hard? The above snipped quote is good--as you may notice, 2/3 has been cut. I am only interested in hearing about fish, amphibians and early reptiles.

[tomhet]

Sept 12, 2009 18:38:43 GMT sbell said:

ANOTHER RESURRECTION OF A THREAD!

But for a good reason.

So I have been talking with the good folks at Safari (have I mentioned I am a big supporter of what they are doing?). I suggested that, while large replicas of amphibians, early fish, etc. might be tough sells, a toob of early fish, sharks and amphians might be easier to pull off, perhaps followed with an early reptile one.

So now Ramona has asked for my suggestion of species for the toobs.

For the fish/amph one (I know, easy to do both, but to be fair, more marketable together) I have considered:

Amphibians:
Diplocaulus
Crassigyrinus*
Tiktaalik*
Eryops
Ichthyostega/Acanthostega


Fish (including placoderms and other extinct ones):
Coelacanth (it wouldn't be the first time a miniature was made of a larger figure--I was surprised there wasn't one in this year's toob)
Xiphactinus*
Alligator gar (a good modern tie-in, similar to the marine life toob modern element)
Dunkleosteus or another placoderm (there are lots to pick from)
Armoured agnathans (again, lots of different ones)
Climatius (an acanthodiian)
Hyneria/Eusthenopteron*


Shark:
Xenacanthus*
Hybodus
Helicoprion*
Stethacanthus

I did not suggest any reptiles.

So here's the deal--I will get back to her on Monday with my lists--can people please enter suggestions (other than the above) for sharks, fish, amphibians and reptiles (non-dinos, no pterosaurs, no marine reptiles).

List as many as you like, but please try to keep it reasonable--I don't think a list of 100 placoderms is really helpful. Also, try not to list animals that are already listed by someone else (although mentioning support for one is probably helpful).

Thanks.

I think your list is reasonable, although the coelacanth sounds unnecessary since there are so many and Safari is making a big one anyway. I like your shark list, I'd trade Orthacanthus for Xenacanthus too

Agnathans need more variation really, I'd vote for the following list:

-Sacabambaspis
-Anglaspis
-Doryaspis
-Cephalaspis
-Drepanaspis

As for placoderms, we need a Gemuendina, a Lunaspis and a Phyllolepis, we have several Dunkies and antiarchs.

May I suggest Parexus instead of Climatius?

As for amphibians/fishapods, I'd take these from your original list:

-Crassigyrinus*
-Tiktaalik*
-Eryops
-Ichthyostega (we have at least two Acanthostegas)

And I'd add Platyhystrix Elpistostege, Diadectes, Greererpeton, Peltobatrachus, Gerrothorax and Cacops.

As for non-dino reptiles:

-Sphenacodon (I'm glad others want to see it too)
-Erythrosuchus
-Ornithosuchus (or any kind of ornithosuchid)
-Cotylorhynchus
-Psephoderma
-Gracilisuchus
-Moschops
-Lycaenops (or any kind of gorgonopsid)

So no inverts?

[john2xtheman]

Sept 13, 2009 3:17:47 GMT @tomhet said:

Sept 12, 2009 18:38:43 GMT sbell said:

ANOTHER RESURRECTION OF A THREAD!

But for a good reason.

So I have been talking with the good folks at Safari (have I mentioned I am a big supporter of what they are doing?). I suggested that, while large replicas of amphibians, early fish, etc. might be tough sells, a toob of early fish, sharks and amphians might be easier to pull off, perhaps followed with an early reptile one.

So now Ramona has asked for my suggestion of species for the toobs.

For the fish/amph one (I know, easy to do both, but to be fair, more marketable together) I have considered:

Amphibians:
Diplocaulus
Crassigyrinus*
Tiktaalik*
Eryops
Ichthyostega/Acanthostega


Fish (including placoderms and other extinct ones):
Coelacanth (it wouldn't be the first time a miniature was made of a larger figure--I was surprised there wasn't one in this year's toob)
Xiphactinus*
Alligator gar (a good modern tie-in, similar to the marine life toob modern element)
Dunkleosteus or another placoderm (there are lots to pick from)
Armoured agnathans (again, lots of different ones)
Climatius (an acanthodiian)
Hyneria/Eusthenopteron*


Shark:
Xenacanthus*
Hybodus
Helicoprion*
Stethacanthus

I did not suggest any reptiles.

So here's the deal--I will get back to her on Monday with my lists--can people please enter suggestions (other than the above) for sharks, fish, amphibians and reptiles (non-dinos, no pterosaurs, no marine reptiles).

List as many as you like, but please try to keep it reasonable--I don't think a list of 100 placoderms is really helpful. Also, try not to list animals that are already listed by someone else (although mentioning support for one is probably helpful).

Thanks.

I think your list is reasonable, although the coelacanth sounds unnecessary since there are so many and Safari is making a big one anyway. I like your shark list, I'd trade Orthacanthus for Xenacanthus too

Agnathans need more variation really, I'd vote for the following list:

-Sacabambaspis
-Anglaspis
-Doryaspis
-Cephalaspis
-Drepanaspis

As for placoderms, we need a Gemuendina, a Lunaspis and a Phyllolepis, we have several Dunkies and antiarchs.

May I suggest Parexus instead of Climatius?

As for amphibians/fishapods, I'd take these from your original list:

-Crassigyrinus*
-Tiktaalik*
-Eryops

And I'd add Platyhystrix Elpistostege, Diadectes, Greererpeton, Peltobatrachus, Gerrothorax and Cacops.

As for non-dino reptiles:

-Sphenacodon (I'm glad others want to see it too)
-Erythrosuchus
-Ornithosuchus (or any kind of ornithosuchid)
-Cotylorhynchus
-Psephoderma
-Gracilisuchus
-Moschops
-Lycaenops (or any kind of gorgonopsid)
So no inverts?

In addition to what I've already suggested in my earlier post,I'll second the Cotylorhynchus.That animal's bizarre appearance would really make it stand out.

[tomhet]

A Burgess Shale toob would be awesome too And I don't think it'd be so hard to market. It should include the classics but also Hurdia

[EmperorDinobot]

I want more Hadrosaurs. Lambeosaurus and Shantungosaurus come to mind. And more small ornithischians. A Thescelosaurus would be awesome.

[tomhet]

I believe he has said repeatedly that he doesn't want to hear about dinosaurs right now.

[kuni]

Tomhet, a LOT of your suggestions are morphologically very close to each other, and many have few morphological novelties. It also strays too far from existing media (walking with, chased by, imax films, etc).

In order for folks to buy this, there needs to be a combination of "popular" forms and bizarre morphology on the lesser known ones.

[kuni]

I rather like that Cotylorhynchus idea, though...

[tomhet]

Sept 13, 2009 4:03:55 GMT kuni said:

Tomhet, a LOT of your suggestions are morphologically very close to each other, and many have few morphological novelties. It also strays too far from existing media (walking with, chased by, imax films, etc).

In order for folks to buy this, there needs to be a combination of "popular" forms and bizarre morphology on the lesser known ones.

Well, they asked me what I wanted ;D

And Cotylorhynchus isn't very popular either ;D I'd cling to both pelycosaurs though

[Megaraptor]

I shall suggest Paracyclotosaurus and Triadobatrachus.

[Megaraptor]

Sept 13, 2009 2:49:27 GMT sbell said:

Sept 13, 2009 2:37:52 GMT Megaraptor said:

New toobs:
FISH
Dunkleosteus
Leedsichthys
Xiphactinus
Stethacanthus
Tiktaalik
Bothriolepis
Nostolepis
Eusthenopteron
Mimia
Panderichthys
Hyneria

EARLY SEA LIFE
Brontoscorpio
Eurypterid
Cephalaspis
Anomalocaris
Hallucigenia
Opabina
Pikaia
Wiwaxia
Orthocone

DEVONIAN-CARBONIFEROUS
Arthropleura
Acanthostega
Westholiana
Hylonomus
Petrolacosaurus
Mesolithe
Meganeura
Crassygirhinus
Pulmunoscorpio(how did I remember that one?)

PERMIAN
Dimetrodon
Scutosaurus
Elginia
Lotosaurus
Sphenacodon
Mastodonsaurus
Esstemenosuchus
Anteosaurus
Moschops
Diplocaulus
Edaphosaurus
Lycaneops
Diictodon

DAWN OF THE DINOSAURS
Cynognathus
Tanystropheus
Nothosaurus
Lystrosaurus
Lagosuchus
Erythrosuchus
Longisquama(sans ridiculous scales)
Eoraptor
Herrerasaurus
Pisanosaurus

LATE TRIASSIC
Procompsognathus
Postosuchus
Coelophysis
Placerias
Antetonitrus
Rutiodon
Plateosaurus
Liliensternus
Ornithosuchus
Isanosaurus

>:(I'm about to get very annoyed. What part of 'leave out the dinos, pterosaurs and marine reptiles' is so hard? The above snipped quote is good--as you may notice, 2/3 has been cut. I am only interested in hearing about fish, amphibians and early reptiles.

Sorry. I didn't know you wanted suggestions for toobs, I was making a point that these animals would be good for a toob. They don't have to be suggestions for your thing(by all means, interpret them as such if you want, I am always happy to provide input).

[Meso-Cenozoic]

AMPHIBIANS:

Koolasuchus (reached fame through the WwD Special)


FISH:

Hemycyclaspis


SHARKS:

Stethacanthus (Whoops, sbell, I just noticed you listed this guy! Well then, I second the motion, lol!)


EARLY REPTILES:

Dimetrodon
Edaphosaurus
Scutosaurus
Placerias
Postosuchus
Arizonasaurus

Any of these early reptiles would make for great juveniles for our larger ones!

Sorry if there are any dupes. It was hard to keep track of what everbody else had already suggested! ;D

[Tyrannax]

Sept 13, 2009 5:19:30 GMT Meso-Cenozoic said:

AMPHIBIANS:

Koolasuchus (reached fame through the WwD Special)


FISH:

Hemycyclaspis


SHARKS:

Stethacanthus (Whoops, sbell, I just noticed you listed this guy! Well then, I second the motion, lol!)


EARLY REPTILES:

Dimetrodon
Edaphosaurus
Scutosaurus
Placerias
Postosuchus
Arizonasaurus

Any of these early reptiles would make for great juveniles for our larger ones!

Sorry if there are any dupes. It was hard to keep track of what everbody else had already suggested! ;D

All those in favor of Koolasuchus say "aye".

Aye.

I'm sure this has been mentioned somewhere in the jungle of this thread, but an Anglaspis would hit the spot.

[crankydinosaur]

mammals plz

i would love love love an alticamelus and a moropus

oh and how about some oreodonts!

basically more mammals from everything but the pleistocene - although a crassiocornis would be nice




crankydinosaur

[kuni]

Mammal suggestions = fail

Fish, amphbians, reptiles only!

[sarcasmosaur]

Ok fine

I WANT A PRIONOSUCHUS

[tomhet]

Very good choice

[Megaraptor]

I say: seconded for sarcasmosaur and aye for tyrannax.

[stoneage]

Maybe Safari should consider doing Toobs based on time periods before the dinosaurs.