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Post by EmperorDinobot on Aug 14, 2008 12:03:48 GMT
They need to make more Ornithopods. Jurassic Ornithopods haven't been covered by them, and this pisses me off. We need the basics, Dryosaurus, Parksosaurus, Heterodontosaurus, Camptosaurus and the likes, I mean...these dinosaurs are so underrated! They deserve more respect...
Or maybe more Ceratopians?
I'm hoping this Spinosaur and Tylosaurus aren't the only two Carnegies coming out next year.
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Post by Rubicon on Aug 14, 2008 12:48:31 GMT
I wish they make a really large sauropod again.. like Seismosaurus, Argentinasaurus or another Brachiosaur
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Post by brad on Aug 14, 2008 13:44:55 GMT
Great news. Those both look like they will be great figures. I don't think there is any reason to believe that the spinosaurine is meant to be Irritator, since Spinosaurus is now known to have had a crest (see the December 2005 Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology). It's going to be a Spinosaurus, and a far superior one to Papo's! I'm buying it. Interesting that it's from the same sculptor as the Caudipteryx, which is an annoyingly inaccurate model IMHO. They REALLY need to make a new, Battat styled rex. What's wrong with the brown Carnegie T. rex? It has basically the same size and proportions as the Battat T. rex, just posed with its head higher.
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Post by tomhet on Aug 14, 2008 16:50:48 GMT
I wouldn't mind the poseable jaws, but the material would have to change drastically and I bet the price would go up. But I've got to tell you, I'm partial to rigidity, in my eyes the new Carnegies are an extension of my Battat collection ;D Mhm, I didn't know there was another version of the Acro, but the mold is very problematic. Now a Papo Acro would be awesome. More ornithopods? You're the only person that wants this ;D No, seriously, every new Carnegie dino is amazing, but it seems they want to produce more carnivores because they are more popular. I wouldn't trade that mosasaur for anything in this world. What's wrong with the Carnegie Rex? While the head is exquisite, the tail is overdone and the overall pose seems forced. It's an epic improvement over the old one, but still... As for the Spinosaurus, I didn't want to believe you brad, but it appears that you are correct, check out this Del Sasso drawing: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Spinosaurus_skull_steveoc.jpgStriking resemblance, isn't it? So I think it can't be Irritator (unless they defy evidence), it can't be Suchomimus but there's a small chance that it's Baryonyx. That leaves us with few suspects indeed.
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Post by bolesey on Aug 14, 2008 17:03:11 GMT
Great news. Those both look like they will be great figures. I don't think there is any reason to believe that the spinosaurine is meant to be Irritator, since Spinosaurus is now known to have had a crest (see the December 2005 Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology). It's going to be a Spinosaurus, and a far superior one to Papo's! I'm buying it. Interesting that it's from the same sculptor as the Caudipteryx, which is an annoyingly inaccurate model IMHO. They REALLY need to make a new, Battat styled rex. What's wrong with the brown Carnegie T. rex? It has basically the same size and proportions as the Battat T. rex, just posed with its head higher. The Carnegie rex has it's right leg somewhat overextended. It's about the same size as the Battat, but the proportions do vary. The Battat is more muscular overall, and I think the curve of the ribcage is more accurate. Incidentally what's so inaccurate with the Caudipteryx? I thought the tail was a bit on the long side, but this seems to be mostly for balance. Other than that I thought it was a pretty nice sculpt.
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Post by bolesey on Aug 14, 2008 17:20:23 GMT
As for the Spinosaurus, I didn't want to believe you brad, but it appears that you are correct, check out this Del Sasso drawing: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Spinosaurus_skull_steveoc.jpgStriking resemblance, isn't it? So I think it can't be Irritator (unless they defy evidence), it can't be Suchomimus but there's a small chance that it's Baryonyx. That leaves us with few suspects indeed. I thought the crest was somewhat dubious, if you read the paper, it's based on an isolated fragment. I'm really surprised it can be attributed to anything with any certainty. But if Irritator had a crest, it's entirely possible that Spinosaurus would have also.
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Post by tomhet on Aug 14, 2008 17:29:47 GMT
Even if the crest is dubious, a paleontologist supports that reconstruction, so I guess it's enough for Carnegie. If the decision is reversed in the future though they'll be looking like dorks.
And I still think that the crest of the Irritator is very different.
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Post by brad on Aug 14, 2008 17:48:20 GMT
The Carnegie rex has it's right leg somewhat overextended. It's about the same size as the Battat, but the proportions do vary. The Battat is more muscular overall, and I think the curve of the ribcage is more accurate. Yeah, the overextended leg is the one thing that bugs me about the Carnegie rex. The tooth count is also slightly too low, if you want to be really picky, but the Battat rex has the same problem. Incidentally what's so inaccurate with the Caudipteryx? I thought the tail was a bit on the long side, but this seems to be mostly for balance. Other than that I thought it was a pretty nice sculpt. The wings/hands are all wrong, which is inexcusable considering the significance of this particular dinosaur. The feathers are supposed to come off the second digit of the hand.
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Post by bolesey on Aug 14, 2008 17:54:40 GMT
Even if the crest is dubious, a paleontologist supports that reconstruction, so I guess it's enough for Carnegie. If the decision is reversed in the future though they'll be looking like dorks. And I still think that the crest of the Irritator is very different. I don't disagree with it's inclusion on the figure, since it's based on the most up-to-date skull restoration. Assuming the identification of the fragment is correct, the actual appearance of the crest still requires some artistic interpretation. It's one of those things that I wouldn't be surprised if it changes with the discovery of future specimens.
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Post by bolesey on Aug 14, 2008 18:17:48 GMT
Yeah, the overextended leg is the one thing that bugs me about the Carnegie rex. The tooth count is also slightly too low, if you want to be really picky, but the Battat rex has the same problem. Incidentally what's so inaccurate with the Caudipteryx? I thought the tail was a bit on the long side, but this seems to be mostly for balance. Other than that I thought it was a pretty nice sculpt. The wings/hands are all wrong, which is inexcusable considering the significance of this particular dinosaur. The feathers are supposed to come off the second digit of the hand. I think it's somewhat excusable, considering how few feathered dinosaur figures have been produced, and it's not the first restoration to get the wings wrong. The overextended legs is a pet peeve, and has been a problem with other figures. From what I understand, if they are straightened to that extent, the knee joint would dislocate. It also makes for stiff, awkward poses.
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Post by tomhet on Aug 14, 2008 18:26:31 GMT
Funny. I downloaded both pics to show them to my gf and I saw that the name of the file is SPINO_teeth_464WB, so it is perhaps a Spinosaurus after all?
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 14, 2008 19:49:53 GMT
I wish they make a really large sauropod again.. like Seismosaurus, Argentinasaurus or another Brachiosaur I wouldn't mind those myself, but considering the scale it's not too likely or the price ...it's the same problem with my desire for a large sauropod from Papo...anything over a foot long is heading toward the 50.00 + range . What do you guys want to bet they will just label this " Spinosaur " ..... lol Based on that illustration I would prob change my guess to Spinosaurus...not to mention this one will replace the older traditional therapod-headed version in the main collection...but this also increases it's size a bit if I remember correctly..prob close to the size of the Giga from this year ? I actually thought Irritator's crest was larger due to artwork...but the image here : http://the_dinosauria.tripod.com/irritator.html Shows a skull that looks almost exactly like the Spinosaurus sketch posted and the model...so right now I guess it could be either one... :?
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Post by EmperorDinobot on Aug 14, 2008 21:13:56 GMT
OMP's artwork concerning spinosaurids is a bit outdated. As for Irritator/Angaturama...everyone does it differently. The skulls are crushed (And modified by some ignorant peasants) so it's hard to reconstruct it accurately. I have no doubt in my mind that the new Carnegie is a Spinosaurus. Recent reconstructions is what this model is based upon. And it just seems more logical.
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 14, 2008 21:53:04 GMT
I guess we'll know eventually..maybe we'll get an update pic showing the whole thing a bit later... ;D Either way I'll be purchasing it...though maybe not from my local supplier...she still hasn't received the Giga in-stock I ordered in March and now it's backordered until Sept...
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Post by bolesey on Aug 14, 2008 22:26:27 GMT
Based on that illustration I would prob change my guess to Spinosaurus...not to mention this one will replace the older traditional therapod-headed version in the main collection...but this also increases it's size a bit if I remember correctly..prob close to the size of the Giga from this year ? I actually thought Irritator's crest was larger due to artwork...but the image here : http://the_dinosauria.tripod.com/irritator.html Shows a skull that looks almost exactly like the Spinosaurus sketch posted and the model...so right now I guess it could be either one... :? Some illustrations of the actual Irritator material can be found here. You can see how much room there is for artistic interpretation. And this is perhaps the most complete spinosaur skull currently known. Apparently further preparation has revealed that the supposed 'crest' was actually a displaced maxilla.
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Post by tomhet on Aug 15, 2008 0:58:44 GMT
By the way, the name of the other file is 'Tylosaurus'
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 15, 2008 4:40:33 GMT
Thanks for the pics ! So Irritator prob isn't much different than a Bary or a Sucho or I guess Spino.. eh? lol I guessed it was a Tylosaur by the file name on Roger's site....but I figured people were looking for specifics..
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Post by sid on Aug 15, 2008 9:55:28 GMT
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Aug 16, 2008 22:31:37 GMT
Oh my Gosh. I peed my pants at the sight of the Spinosaur. Oh...oh. ...oh wow....wow....wowowowowowowwwww.... Like I said, now all Carnagie needs now is a JP/Battat styled T-rex Do we really need another trex? I mean, we already have like ten good rexes to choose from. I'm glad they are updating their spinosaur, and NOT adding another trex or other "common" dinosaur.
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Post by Red Scorpion on Aug 16, 2008 23:44:28 GMT
Like I said, now all Carnagie needs now is a JP/Battat styled T-rex Do we really need another trex? I mean, we already have like ten good rexes to choose from. I'm glad they are updating their spinosaur, and NOT adding another trex or other "common" dinosaur. So am I, but their rex coulb be better.
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