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Post by dinonikes on Mar 14, 2009 1:58:01 GMT
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Post by Tyrannax on Mar 14, 2009 2:03:02 GMT
I like the scratching head pose. It shows the side that the majority of people don't see in Dinosaurs.  |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 14, 2009 3:13:16 GMT
Def looking forward to more progress on this set... Did you ever figure out if the leg pose was realistic or not ? |
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Post by crazycrowman on Mar 14, 2009 4:21:58 GMT
I LOVE the pose!!!!
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Post by kuni on Mar 14, 2009 5:11:26 GMT
It seems pretty plausible...and definitely looks awesome!
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Post by bokisaurus on Mar 14, 2009 5:37:18 GMT
Ooohhh, finally something totally different!  I'm excited to see the final product. I'm not a big fan of allo, but this model is something that I'm excited about. It just looks different, very creative Did I miss the para pics?  |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 14, 2009 6:23:32 GMT
While I love this piece and the concept behind it...I believe the orig argument was wether it could actually perform this action and/or would it. I think it's possible..but with some slight modifications...dogs and other animals do it..even some people... How can you not be a fan of the Predator Prince ? ;D The finished Para pics ? Those haven't been posted yet. |
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Mar 14, 2009 13:23:27 GMT
I think the leg/hip could dislocate, but man... It looks SO cool!  |
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Post by crazycrowman on Mar 14, 2009 15:25:13 GMT
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Mar 14, 2009 18:02:44 GMT
And those theropods are what... 150 million years after allosaurus?  |
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Post by Tyrannax on Mar 14, 2009 19:15:11 GMT
But why do you disbelieve they could do this Cordy?
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Mar 14, 2009 20:52:54 GMT
Actually those images help a bit what I was trying to say before...it is possible, they could have scratched themselves with their hind feet..but I don't think it would have occured in that exact position.
The perched Raven there can reach about it's eye level while standing...the duck was reaching for it's head but only able to barely reach the under jaw by turning it's head.
If this Allo was sitting upright on it's haunches and using it's arms to push againt the ground with the neck arched back toward the foot a bit it could prob reach it with maybe a slight bit of trouble...I'm not sure this was a manuever it would have done casually though...just like when you reach around your back to get an itch..starts lazily, then gets irritating you can't reach it..lol
I figured it was prob easier to find a tree or rock to rub against...if it's an itch from pests then a mud bath, swim or dust bath might help.
Dromeosaurs like velociraptor prob could have managed it easier..lighter body frames..whereas Allo was a bit bigger predator with a less-agile body type...lol
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Post by kikimalou on Mar 14, 2009 21:08:36 GMT
 Nothing can be compared with a desire to scratch |
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Post by [][][]cordylus[][][] on Mar 14, 2009 21:16:33 GMT
But why do you disbelieve they could do this Cordy? I think their legs would have dislocated-- They couldn't go back more than when their femur was at a 90 degree angle (or so I have read...), so I don't think they could move it too far forward either. I will still be buying this one though. |
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Post by crazycrowman on Mar 14, 2009 22:22:45 GMT
Good point blade...They could have more flexable then we account for though....maybe if his head was turned in a little more towards his foot/body, sort of like the ducks it would be more "realistic"? (I was hoping to find images of rattites scratching, but so far nothing)  Lots of ichy herons and egrets out there though. farm4.static.flickr.com/3047/2504467389_e269dfc218.jpg?v=0 |
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Post by stoneage on Mar 14, 2009 22:46:54 GMT
Good point blade...They could have more flexable then we account for though....maybe if his head was turned in a little more towards his foot/body, sort of like the ducks it would be more "realistic"? (I was hoping to find images of rattites scratching, but so far nothing) Lots of ichy herons and egrets out there though. farm4.static.flickr.com/3047/2504467389_e269dfc218.jpg?v=0 CCM I'm not sure an Allosaurus being as heavy as it is, would scratch standing on 1 foot. This pose reminds me of a dog. The duck picture you provided seems to show him sitting in more of an upright position then on his side. Do birds normally lay on their side like that? What do you think?  |
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Post by crazycrowman on Mar 14, 2009 23:10:39 GMT
Stoneage - I am not sure how Allosaurus would have had to scratch. Its something that will probably have to be based of conjecture no matter what.
I am not sure about the one legged scratch, but its possible. The duck in that photo is nearly on its side. Thats not typical for many bird species, but it really depends on the bird. Plus, allosaurs, though related to birds, are not laid out just like a bird, so it was something all its own. (This goes for any theropod with a large bulky muscular tail, as no modern birds have them to compare/contrast) We can look towards crocs/birds to make guesses as to how it would have to do things like scratch. That is why I posted and suggested images of birds and crocodilians, due to them being the only 2 living groups of archosaurs we can glean behavior from. Crocs scratch sort of like a dog does, and sort of like how that allosaurus is scratching. They usually do so with bodies with belly facing the ground, but not always. Lizards scratch the same way as crocodilians for the most part.
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Post by stoneage on Mar 14, 2009 23:42:41 GMT
I think I would prefer a more nest laying posture like the duck CCM showed. The posture of the Allosaurus seems a little cartoony to me and would require a great deal of flexibility. Sorry I know you worked hard on this! What do other people think,nows the time to speak up, if you love this pose say so.
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Mar 15, 2009 0:24:36 GMT
Stoneage is right, we should speak up now or forever hold our peace. ;D In general I like the concept but I'm not convinced by the sculpt. Not because I don't think it could do it, but because the leg looks like it is protruding from the animals back. Like something out of the Thing! ;D At this stage the body seems unnaturally twisted, probably something that could be fixed during the later stages of detailing though Look forward to seeing how this one evolves... |
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Post by bmknj17 on Mar 15, 2009 0:30:47 GMT
My only comment is that I'd never want cool or different at the expense of (And of course I know there will be gray areas.) accuracy.
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I'm excited to see the final product. I'm not a big fan of allo, but this model is something that I'm excited about. It just looks different, very creative 
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CCM I'm not sure an Allosaurus being as heavy as it is, would scratch standing on 1 foot. This pose reminds me of a dog. The duck picture you provided seems to show him sitting in more of an upright position then on his side. Do birds normally lay on their side like that? What do you think? 
