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Post by Dinotoyforum on Sept 8, 2010 21:11:36 GMT
The big question, if those companies do produce an Oviraptor, is whether they will resist the temptation to include an egg in hand  |
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Post by brontodocus on Sept 8, 2010 22:07:12 GMT
The big question, if those companies do produce an Oviraptor, is whether they will resist the temptation to include an egg in hand  Egg in hand? Has any company ever made one like that? ;D |
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Post by bokisaurus on Sept 8, 2010 22:55:25 GMT
Sure ;D Looks like Papo copied the Chap Mei figure released a few years ago. Here are my ovi flock, you can see the Chap Mei next to the Papo  ;D |
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Post by gwangi on Sept 9, 2010 0:48:58 GMT
It remains a matter of preference. There doesn't appear to be any physical evidence that this species, Oviraptor, was feathered or scaled. Therefore there are no evidential grounds for saying that one representation with feathers is more accurate than one with scales. I've trawled for the evidence and literally what it comes down to is that Oviraptor is very similar to something else and therefore was likely feathered. That's not scientific fact based on physical evidence it's scientific theory alone and certainly wouldn't win a case in a court of law. Believe me, If the actual evidence were there I'd happily go for the feathered representation however as things stand I personally prefer the unfeathered Well of course it is a theory, (evolution is a theory too BTW) but it is the best theory we have in regards to how these animals looked. No evidential grounds? Really? Oviraptors are nestled within Oviraptorosauria along with the feathered Caudipteryx and Protarchaeopteryx among others. Quill knobs have been found on Avimimus and some species have a pygostyle at the ends of their tails. The positions of the fossils on their nests suggests a bird-like brooding posture where feathers would be beneficial. Oviraptors are also nestled within Maniraptora which contains birds and most of the other feathered dinosaurs we know about. This is evidence, evidence that allows me to theorize that oviraptors had feathers. What evidence is there that oviraptors lacked feathers? what evidential grounds? Skin impressions from unrelated hadrosaurs? If a relative of oviraptor closer to it than caudipteryx were discovered with scale impressions then I would theorize oviraptors had scales but that evidence does not exist. Scaly oviraptors are purely a matter of personal preference, there is no scientific evidence to support them. As for the "hairless" human comparison so often made in these arguments...are you kidding me? Humans have hair all over their bodies. Shorter and lighter than in other mammals but still hair. Just look at the tops of our heads, imagine that humans never cut our hair or shaved. I don't feel I should have to tell this to fellow humans. |
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Post by Dinotoyforum on Sept 9, 2010 9:02:13 GMT
Gwangi, I just diasabled a member's account in this thread, for posting off topic after I specifically requested not to. Weather your subsequent post was intentional or simply an oversight of the events in this thread, I must temporarily disable your account too for reasons of consistancy. It will come back online in seven days. Thanks for your understanding.
EDIT - Gwangi has contacted me to explain the oversight, which was accidental and innocent. I have lifted his disable accordingly.
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Post by blackdanter on Sept 9, 2010 9:27:18 GMT
Sure ;D Looks like Papo copied the Chap Mei figure released a few years ago. Here are my ovi flock, you can see the Chap Mei next to the Papo ;D Nice assemblage Boki. I only have the Papo and Kaiyodo figures. Man that Dinosaurs of China thing hurts my retinas ;D |
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Post by brontodocus on Sept 9, 2010 9:41:57 GMT
The Dino Discoveries Oviraptor on Nest? Yes, it is gaudy, isn't it? But it exactly follows an illustration by Luis V. Rey. Even the black and white markings on the crest, it's all there. I'm sure it's too flashy for many people. But the sculpt quality is great. And the head is probably the best of all the Oviraptor/Citipati toy figures.
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Post by blackdanter on Sept 9, 2010 10:21:05 GMT
The Dino Discoveries Oviraptor on Nest? Yes, it is gaudy, isn't it? But it exactly follows an illustration by Luis V. Rey. Even the black and white markings on the crest, it's all there. I'm sure it's too flashy for many people. But the sculpt quality is great. And the head is probably the best of all the Oviraptor/ Citipati toy figures. I think Boki's colours 'pop' a bit aswell as my Kaiyodo Ovi isn't quite as neon as Boki's looks  |
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Post by Tyrannosauron on Sept 9, 2010 10:49:05 GMT
I personally love that nesting Oviraptor (apart from the bloody eggs--I don't need my toys to be that realistic, thanks). It does "pop," and that's sort of the point as I see it: on a shelf that might be crowded with striding, roaring theropods, it's nice to see a less-obviously-competitive behavior exhibited for a change. I'd been wanting to buy it for a while and finally pulled the trigger in an order from Dan's store last night, after going on a behind-the-scenes tour of the AMNH and seeing the brooding Citipati (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2396186/pdf/rsbl20070254.pdf) in their storage room. ;D (Quick aside: before anyone else gets banned, please go here: dinotoyforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dinos&thread=3324. |
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Post by Himmapaan on Sept 9, 2010 12:25:20 GMT
I do like the Dino Discoveries Oviraptor very much. It's on my wishlist for a future acquisition.  I was actually quite divided between choosing that and the Safari for the poll, but opted for the latter eventually. But the more pictures I see of it, the more I feel I may recant my earlier vote! The big question, if those companies do produce an Oviraptor, is whether they will resist the temptation to include an egg in hand Egg in hand? Has any company ever made one like that? ;D Well, fancy that! I'm actually in the process of customising this figure and have just finished removing the egg and neutralising the hands. Oh, by the way, Boki, which is the Oviraptor in the middle back of your picture? |
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Post by therizinosaurus on Sept 9, 2010 13:07:33 GMT
The procon gigantoraptor?
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Post by Himmapaan on Sept 9, 2010 13:33:10 GMT
Oh, I see! It's a Gigantoraptor, rather than an Oviraptor. Thank you, Charlie. |
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Post by Horridus on Sept 9, 2010 15:19:45 GMT
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Post by terrorchicken on Sept 9, 2010 17:06:22 GMT
mutant turkey from hell!
I love Luis Rey...
what theropod is attacking?
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Post by Horridus on Sept 9, 2010 18:55:23 GMT
It's the tyrannosauroid Alectrosaurus.
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Post by brontodocus on Sept 9, 2010 20:41:52 GMT
The CollectA Gigantoraptor is rather based on this one:  by Julius T. Csotonyi. Oh, and Himmapaan, I thought of further modifying the Papo Oviraptor, too (I have two of them, anyway). I was thinking about grass fibers for model railroads to make it a little fuzzy. And cut feathers for the arms and tail from paper. But I haven't attempted yet. But the Dino Discoveries Oviraptor on Nest remains my favourite. |
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Post by Horridus on Sept 9, 2010 20:44:43 GMT
Ah yes, Csotonyi's Gigantoraptor. Good (certainly a lot better than the toy it inspired), but I like Rey's Demon Turkeys from Hell approach a lot more. That's just me though - 80% of my psyche is that of a small child. (Also, Csotonyi's other art is nothing short of spectacular.)
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Post by brontodocus on Sept 9, 2010 20:49:02 GMT
I'm just trying to imagine a Safari Ltd. Gigantoraptor based on Luis V. Rey art. Oh yes. |
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Post by Horridus on Sept 9, 2010 20:49:57 GMT
I'm just trying to imagine a Safari Ltd. Gigantoraptor based on Luis V. Rey art. Oh yes. THAT would be amazing. Preferrably the male from the Gigantoraptor v Alectrosaurus scene! |
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Post by gwangi on Sept 9, 2010 21:29:00 GMT
I personally prefer Csotonyi's Gigantoraptor over Rey's but as far as Rey's work is concerned that picture is one of my favorites. Csotonyi's just looks more like a real animal in my opinion. Csotonyi's image of the giganto with it's background is really impressive, looks like an actual photograph. www.csotonyi.com/Gigantoraptor_scene.jpgI suppose a bit more color would have been nice though. Perhaps the best reconstructions I've seen of oviraptor were those I found on this blog called "Schistosome" schistosome.blogspot.com/2009/09/oviraptorids.htmlI would love to see a figure modeled after this guy.  Quite a change from the rather scraggly looking Carnegie. |
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I was actually quite divided between choosing that and the Safari for the poll, but opted for the latter eventually. But the more pictures I see of it, the more I feel I may recant my earlier vote! 
