PREHISTORIC FISHES AND MORE

[razh00]

wow,

i really like your paints, hope to see more ;D

paleoferroequine did you use the pastel technique on the papo repaints too? i have to try it!!

well i have my laptop back so i finally finished the varanops.




ill inform when i had the model tested. still have to correct the fishes. i possibly do them this week so i can order them together

[paleoferroequine]

Apr 24, 2011 17:32:59 GMT razh00 said:

wow,

i really like your paints, hope to see more ;D

paleoferroequine did you use the pastel technique on the papo repaints too? i have to try it!!

Yes, I used soft pastels on the Papo mods and also on the mammal conversions. Pastels have to be sealed with clear flat and may not cover on the first application, may need 2 or 3 layers. I also apply a light color of primer such as tan first. Just practice.

[postsaurischian]

Apr 24, 2011 17:32:59 GMT razh00 said:

..... i finally finished the varanops.

The Varanops looks pretty cool !

[stemturtle]

Happy to see a new synapsid. Your Varanops looks like he could run down his prey with those long legs. When you release the model, I request that you offer a size of around 9 cm because of the tail. Thanks.

[razh00]

[stemturtle]

Odontochelys semitestacea, I presume. This guy is a must have. Amazing how expeditiously you produce your sculptures. One word: WOW!

[bokisaurus]

Nice work on those fish How did you make the pastel stick? Did you have to seal it afterwards?

@ razh00: when are the other fish be available again? I just ordered some of the ones you have up

[brontodocus]

Yes, I'd like to see a re-release of the Tauraspis, Hoelaspis, and Doryaspis, too!

[razh00]

Apr 26, 2011 8:14:41 GMT brontodocus said:

Yes, I'd like to see a re-release of the Tauraspis, Hoelaspis, and Doryaspis, too!

this week ill correct and upload them

[paleoferroequine]

Apr 26, 2011 6:07:11 GMT bokisaurus said:

Nice work on those fish How did you make the pastel stick? Did you have to seal it afterwards?

I apply 3-4 coats of Testor Model Master desert sand flat spray. Brand or color really doesn't matter but I like this shade. Main thing is flat, the pastels adhere pretty good to that. And it takes a few applications of pastel with clear flat spray to seal in between applications to get it to cover. I thinks pastels work well with these, they give almost an airbrushed look, more subtle look than with brush paints, but both are good.

[Himmapaan]

I paint models with pastels frequently too (the still unfinished Lovejoy Giganotosaurus is one). Though it usually takes tens of layers for me to really build up richness in colour. I expect it depends on suitability of subject and choice of colour too.

[paleoferroequine]

Apr 26, 2011 20:25:02 GMT Himmapaan said:

I paint models with pastels frequently too (the still unfinished Lovejoy Giganotosaurus is one). Though it usually takes tens of layers for me to really build up richness in colour. I expect it depends on suitability of subject and choice of colour too.

I should have said it varies with subject and colour but usually not more than five per colour. But if there are four or five different colours then it can take a while.

[Himmapaan]

;D Hehe, I wasn't being argumentative, of course; just adding my tuppence worth -- and partially wondering whether you have some magic formula for doing fewer layers. ;D

[paleoferroequine]

Apr 26, 2011 23:39:57 GMT Himmapaan said:

;D Hehe, I wasn't being argumentative, of course; just adding my tuppence worth -- and partially wondering whether you have some magic formula for doing fewer layers. ;D

Only "magic" formula might be the type of pastels and powders. I use Grumbacher soft pastels and weathering powders by Doc O'briens and Bragdons. The powders have a pressure sensitive, dry adhesive mixed in and they adhere very well. Of course, these may only be available here in the colonies. But maybe you can get an equivalent.

[Himmapaan]

Apr 27, 2011 3:54:48 GMT paleoferroequine said:

Apr 26, 2011 23:39:57 GMT Himmapaan said:

;D Hehe, I wasn't being argumentative, of course; just adding my tuppence worth -- and partially wondering whether you have some magic formula for doing fewer layers. ;D

Only "magic" formula might be the type of pastels and powders. I use Grumbacher soft pastels and weathering powders by Doc O'briens and Bragdons. The powders have a pressure sensitive, dry adhesive mixed in and they adhere very well. Of course, these may only be available here in the colonies. But maybe you can get an equivalent.

I use Inscribe and Rembrandt pastels and have found them to be very good too. I should look up some weathering powders, that dry adhesive mixture sounds excellent.

Five layers per colour sounds about right; I use several shades of each hue to build up the gradations, so if I'm working from, say, a cream belly all the way up to a dark chestnut back, then I'd inevitably end up with dozens of layers altogether.

[razh00]

hi guys!!!

this is the first reptile: the hylonomus ;D



thanks to steamturtle for the pose suggestion

PD: the fishes are online again, but i havent ordered them for testing yet so they could be cancelled again..... ill write here when i have checked that they can be printed

[stemturtle]

Razh00, your execution of this model is spectacular. Hylonomus lyelli is recognized as the oldest reptile, at 312 MYA. Some fossils have been discovered in the stumps of lycopod trees at Joggins, Nova Scotia. It probably descended from an ancestor of the diadectomorph clade, which includes Limnoscelis. A momentous milestone, the evolution of the amniotic egg said goodbye to tadpoles. In the past, Hylonomus, a basal anapsid, was considered progenitor of all the amniotes. Now this protorothyrid is regarded as more closely related to the diapsids.

[paleoferroequine]

Apr 27, 2011 18:10:34 GMT stemturtle said:

Razh00, your execution of this model is spectacular. Hylonomus lyelli is recognized as the oldest reptile, at 312 MYA. Some fossils have been discovered in the stumps of lycopod trees at Joggins, Nova Scotia. It probably descended from an ancestor of the diadectomorph clade, which includes Limnoscelis. A momentous milestone, the evolution of the amniotic egg said goodbye to tadpoles. In the past, Hylonomus, a basal anapsid, was considered progenitor of all the amniotes. Now this protorothyrid is regarded as more closely related to the diapsids.

I agree, this will be a great addition. My only question is that the eggs seem kinda big, don't they? Or is my monitor too big?

[stemturtle]

Paleoferroequine asked: "My only question is that the eggs seem kinda big, don't they? Or is my monitor too big?"

The eggs may look large relative to the size of the reptile, which is about 20 cm long. The oldest fossilized egg is Triassic, which is no help. We can compare the size of the eggs of modern geckos to that of the model of Hylonomus. Then for both reptiles, a snout-vent length of 10 cm would correlate with an egg diameter of 1.5 cm. Close enough.

I should add that geckos have a small clutch size of only a few eggs.

[sbell]

Apr 28, 2011 12:20:46 GMT stemturtle said:

Paleoferroequine asked: "My only question is that the eggs seem kinda big, don't they? Or is my monitor too big?"

The eggs may look large relative to the size of the reptile, which is about 20 cm long. The oldest fossilized egg is Triassic, which is no help. We can compare the size of the eggs of modern geckos to that of the model of Hylonomus. Then for both reptiles, a snout-vent length of 10 cm would correlate with an egg diameter of 1.5 cm. Close enough.

I should add that geckos have a small clutch size of only a few eggs.

It's a pretty big stretch from stem-amniote to highly evolved lepidosaur.

Fortunately, there is one other possibility; the eggs were likely softer and leathery--like may modern reptiles--so squeezing them out would not be as hard. And a larger egg would allow the hatchling to come out when much larger, and have a better chance of survival.