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Post by sbell on Aug 27, 2011 21:04:13 GMT
 To dyscrasia: frankly, i prefer to consider JP dinosaurs as "movie ANIMALS" rather than "monsters"... The term "monster" should only be applied to creatures completely made-up like Godzilla, Xenomorphs, Graboids and such IMHO. (oh well, that's the movie-nerd in me talkin' ;D) But judging from the errors in their design, the dinos, in a way, ARE made up (toothy Pteranodon, Spinosaurus wtih double eye crests, Triceratops with fossil horns, giant Velociraptors with no feathers, miniature Dilophosaurus with frill and projectile venom). |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 27, 2011 21:55:20 GMT
Really a lot of those things weren't known about at the time the films were made..so they are dated. The Pteros were failed attempts as there are toothless varieties in the Lost World and the Dilo was a baby..not an adult also mentioned in the Lost World.
But the rest are easily explained by the novel..Wu and Hammond just created what ( at the time ) looked to them like real Dinosaurs. They even had a plan to replace the animals with new versions or upgrades like software as science moved forward.
So you can explain that they were correct for the time...not entirely made up fictional creatures.
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Post by gwangi on Aug 28, 2011 2:02:55 GMT
For its time Jurassic Park was revolutionary in it's depiction of dinosaurs. As far as dinosaur movies go what did we have before that? The Valley of Gwangi? One Million Years B.C.? Even since its release nothing better has been put out.
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Post by arioch on Aug 28, 2011 3:13:29 GMT
Well, the snake tongue "velociraptors" were a bit weird even back then. Thanks god they had Horner to get that straight (and too bad he still was as advisor in JP 3, ironically). Also, JP deserve some credit for making them a bit bird like and made some hints to the relationship with birds, although in the movie they were predominantly reptilian. And yes, monster like , mostly because of the behaviour.
We could rant about the overuse of mammal like roarings as well, but this seems to be the constant in all dino docs, serious or not, even those two incoming. Doesnt seem like its going to change anytime soon.
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Post by weaver on Aug 28, 2011 5:36:03 GMT
I absolutely agree Gwangi and that goes for Crichtons' books as well. They're still some of my favorite stories (right up there with 'Prey') and they're one of the reasons I got into dinosaurs.
I know it is not the most accurate representation but they always seemed so very alive. There is something about seeing a huge T-Rex foot with rain glistening on it and the mud spattered on it that makes a dinosaur seem so real. Speilburg had it right in using puppetry (suitmation too) and CGI to bring these incredible creatures to life. CGI alone doesn't seem to leave an imprint on the environment... there's no physicality. I know that the depiction of the V-raptors and Dilos set the public backwards but the movie-magic used to create them is still top-notch in my opinion.
Ah well, debate-debate it's still a ripping adventure to be enjoyed with a grain of salt. Anyway, Dinosaur Revolution looks great so far and I'm excited to see it. :3
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 28, 2011 6:19:24 GMT
Well, the snake tongue "velociraptors" were a bit weird even back then. Thanks god they had Horner to get that straight (and too bad he still was as advisor in JP 3, ironically). Also, JP deserve some credit for making them a bit bird like and made some hints to the relationship with birds, although in the movie they were predominantly reptilian. And yes, monster like , mostly because of the behaviour. We could rant about the overuse of mammal like roarings as well, but this seems to be the constant in all dino docs, serious or not, even those two incoming. Doesnt seem like its going to change anytime soon. When Crichton wrote the book he was still viewing them as reptiles I guess..or it was another result of the gene-swapping that went on. Guess there wasn't much research of dino-tongues either. :/ Remember in the first film, Grant and the kids are watching the Rex eat a Galli..." Bet you'll never look at birds the same way again ." I don't think any of us that saw that got the message any clearer before seeing the film. I know it stuck with me. Mammal sounds ? ..well it's all we've got really. Many birds and reptiles don't make many awe-inspiring sounds either I guess. |
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Post by sid on Aug 28, 2011 10:16:19 GMT
Agree with Blade  Plus, despite the inaccuracies (lack of feathers, behaviour, proportions, etc), JP dinosaurs are still the most life-like restorations ever appeared on screen so far... Even after 18 friggin' years those animatronics still look like real animals and not just robots! Movie-magic indeed (as weaver said) |
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Post by dinohunter000 on Aug 31, 2011 2:23:04 GMT
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Aug 31, 2011 3:23:34 GMT
Nice photo galleries too ! ;D
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Post by DeadToothCrackKnuckle on Aug 31, 2011 20:00:03 GMT
Yay! I've been waiting for Dinosaur Revolution to its own page on the Discovery Website! ;D
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Post by sid on Aug 31, 2011 20:52:20 GMT
The Gigantoraptor. Just. The. Gigantoraptor.  It's a bit premature if i say that this is probably the BEST tv show about dinosaurs since WWD? |
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Post by camara on Aug 31, 2011 23:50:48 GMT
After watching those stories I have to say that.... I will love this show!! Looks like Disney but a lot more " hardcore"!! I want to see it now!!! Can't wait!!
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Post by sid on Sept 1, 2011 13:10:18 GMT
What the funk?! On youtube there are the already the first two episodes... Why? I thought it would have aired this sunday  Too bad the audio system of my pc is broken, i can't completely enjoy those clips... |
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Sept 1, 2011 13:32:23 GMT
They are not there anymore.. I wonder how that guy got hold of them anyway ? |
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Post by arioch on Sept 1, 2011 13:34:53 GMT
They already been taken down....
Managed to see the 1st part...Eoraptors are cool but the CGi is a bit disappointing. They just don´t move convincingly. Still I liked what I saw.
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Post by Blade-of-the-Moon on Sept 1, 2011 13:38:06 GMT
Maybe those were old versions of the footage ?
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Post by arioch on Sept 1, 2011 13:42:38 GMT
I hope so!
When they were running it looked like...well..difficult to put it in words without being harsh. Must be a unfinished footage (although they had the talking heads of Dr Holtz and stuff), and the video quality wasn´t excellent...
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Post by sid on Sept 1, 2011 13:42:55 GMT
Maybe those were old versions of the footage ? Maybe, considering the CG in the Allo's tale (from what i've seen) looks much much better. Anyway, i'm glad they've been taken down... I wanna see 'em properly on my tv! ;D |
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Post by camara on Sept 1, 2011 13:52:01 GMT
I hope so! When they were running it looked like...well..difficult to put it in words without being harsh. Must be a unfinished footage (although they had the talking heads of Dr Holtz and stuff), and the video quality wasn´t excellent... I am going to be harsh......the animation is HORRIBLE. I have seen the first part of the first episode before it was taken down. HORRIBLE animation...there are hundreds of great professionals out there! What was Discovery thinking about when they hired these guys!? I read something about that,they said that the Allo and T-rex episodes are made by different studios and they look a lot better.I hope...let´s wait and see. The models are fantastic. I am starting to like that "Disney style" the stories have. I´ll watch Planet Dinosaur to see something more serious. |
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Post by camara on Sept 1, 2011 21:32:10 GMT
I may as well just jump in here as well to say they were taken down because they were flat out stolen and posted. We really upset me. I found them last night and it was taken care of. Yes, CGI (animation) is going to vary. Yes, Eoraptor is unfortunately one of the weakest, which hurts me because I worked very hard to make the textures as beautiful as possible and crappy animation brings good models and textures to their knees. Yes, there were more than one animation house working this project. I agree on the quality of animation done with this piece. I think the 2 main stories will probably be the best by far, although some of the vingettes work just fine and look good. Others I would have culled, but you can't for some reason I probably don't know about and you only get so many chance with animation and then you are stuck with it. As its close to air anyway (no thanks to the person who had the gall to post it all over) I'll drop out of this thread so you guys can have at it without worry about being harsh. I'll just hang out in my art thread and post pics of my models and stuff when done. Best Hey Angie!! Don´t worry, I think nobody can be harsh about your models and color patterns. I want to see the Allo and T-rex episodes,because the animation in the clips looked so much better. The Eoraptors are beautiful, I really like the colors of the male.Awesome! |
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